Looking for informations about Bf 110s from 3.(Z)/LG1 and I./ZG76 during PC.

[Recceswind]

Not maybe, but for sure. Probably all original PC German documents call Polish fighters "PZL 24".

It is a little bit annoying that some authors still use original German designation without any comment.

[Dénes Bernád]

Originally Posted by Recceswind

Not maybe, but for sure. Probably all original PC German documents call Polish fighters "PZL 24".

It is a little bit annoying that some authors still use original German designation without any comment.

Nothing unusual. Soviet airmen also claimed P.24s even in... 1944.

[Recceswind]

You are absolutely right: wrong identification of the enemy aircraft is not unusual. It was very common.

BTW: Romanian and Bulgarian AF still had some PZL P.24 in use in 1944, so theoretically it would be possible.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Edgardo

Technically the V./(Z)LG 1-I./NJG 3 book is wrong. At the time of the PC the unit was still desígnated I./(Z)LG 1 and was not changed to V./(Z)LG 1 until Nov 1st 1939. The losses were then as Bf 110 says from 1. to 3. Staffeln.

It is also interesting how Taghon's book about LG 1 gives a totally different view of the day's action. All losses during the afternoon mission(s), since he indicates two missions during the afternoon, possibly same take off but differents routes...

Taghon makes no mention about the forcelanding by Lindemann/Radeck...

BF 110
What is your source about the code L1+EL??

Cheers
Stig

[Bf 110]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

BF 110
What is your source about the code L1+EL??

Cheers
Stig

Hello Stig,

my source is Marius Emmerling's Luftwaffe nad Polska pt.1 Jagdflieger. There are photographs between pages 192 and 193. One of them shows belly-landed L1+EL.

rgds,
Bf 110

[John Vasco]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Edgardo

Technically the V./(Z)LG 1-I./NJG 3 book is wrong. At the time of the PC the unit was still desígnated I./(Z)LG 1 and was not changed to V./(Z)LG 1 until Nov 1st 1939. The losses were then as Bf 110 says from 1. to 3. Staffeln.

Cheers
Stig

Stig,

This all, of course, hinges on when the newly constituted I./LG 1 came into existence, resulting in the original I./LG 1 being redesignated V.(Z)/LG 1. Do you have a date for the formation of the new I./LG 1?

You see, the problem sometimes is that units were somewhat lazy in how their affairs were conducted. Existing stocks of documents might have been used up to exhaustion, resulting in the old designation being used when in fact the new one was applicable. In the Battle of Britain, some redesignated Bf 110 units did not bother to change the Unit code/Staffel letter on their aircraft: the newly-formed II./ZG 2 and III./ZG 76, as well as V.(Z)/LG 1 (Staffel letter only). Even the 1. Staffel of Erprobungsgruppe 210 retained the former 1./ZG 1 code of '2N' on the Bf 110 C-6s they took with them on redesignation and relocation until they took on charge their first fighter-bombers in early August 1940.

I would be most interested to solve this conundrum of the actual date of redesignation to V.(Z)/LG 1.

[Dénes Bernád]

Originally Posted by Recceswind

BTW: Romanian and Bulgarian AF still had some PZL P.24 in use in 1944, so theoretically it would be possible.

Theoretically yes, practically no. I have researched the individual history of every Rumanian P.24 and, obviously, there was not combat loss in 1944.