6/02 - Bf109s on eBay (15(Kroat)/JG 52) & others.

[ouidjat]

Hi There,

Nice and rare pictures... We need a traductor for pictures' back.

1. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de90fec
2. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de903bc
3. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de9065b
4. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de9574a
Ofw. Günter Eberhard. note the name on plane.
5. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de95afa
Schmidt?
6. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de91d3f
7. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de9209b

Other planes:
8. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de91842
9. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de92bde
10. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de94010
11. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de944b4
12. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de947c3
13. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de94bab
14. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de90b32
15. http://cgi.ebay.de/Wehrmacht-Flugzeu...item2a0de93223

Regards, Franck.

[gogh]

Hi Franck

The 4 picture with "Hisa" on it could be a slovenian pilot.
Hisa means House/home in slovenia.
I have an "hisa" in Slovenia
Or my wife have teach me the wrong word for house.

regards

Peter van Gogh

[ouidjat]

Hello Peter,

If I believe Wiktionnary the word for House is hiša in Slovenian not hisa, S and Š being two different letters. Note; this is a typical indo-européen word/root giving house in english, haus in german, hus in saxon and huis in dutch I presume. Huis in french did change its meaning from house to door... since it's obvious that when you close the door, you close the house! Last, this is exactly the same word used in "aujourd'hui"... Which, initialy was the day to open the door for the weekly/monthly market day: "Le jour d'huis".

Where am I??? Ach! with a Bf109F-4!! in April 1943!
Anyway, why not Peter? But the signature is Günther Eberhard as is the name on picture's back, isn't it? but it seems too that only 13.(Slow.)/JG 52 had F-4 in February 1943... And the only Günther Eberhard I found came from JG 51!!!!

Since you use, my dear Peter, to take your holidays in Croatia - I do remember some pictures - maybe you'll be able to translate ALL the writings, aren't you? .

Thanks for your comment; always welcome... as you know.

Cheers, Franck.

[RolandF]

Hallo Franck,
I´d rather see the Croatian pilots being trained with JG104 (former Jagdfliegerschule 4) at Fürth-Herzogenaurach in the late-year 1943.
So it must be a German Bf109E being flown by trainer pilot (?) Günter Eberhard.
So I would read this name simply as "Lisa" (Sütterlin-influenced "L")

Regards

Fran

[ouidjat]

Hi Fran,

I like your comment, and this is good for other pictures in that batch.
Date match too.
Concerning that very picture, it's a 109F-4 since we see the octane triangle just behind the pilot's legs.

Regards, Franck.

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hello,

Guys, the easiest way is to simply translate the writting on the back
So, for picture #4 it is: Oberfedlwebel Gűnter Eberhard, 28.4.1943 Herzogenaurach, pilot instructor at the fighter school.

BTW, all the aviation photos from this seller are from the lot of Fw. Desimir Furtinović, who was trained in JG104 from 01.04.1943 until 15.09.1943. After that period he joined the 15.(kroat.)/JG52. Before he was himself a pilot instructor with A/B 123 in Agram and Graz/Thalerhof.

[ouidjat]

Hi Tomislav,

Thank you!!! You did what I'm asking for since my first post. And congratulation Fran for your guess.
What about the texts behind the Bf109G pictures??

Well, you know a lot about that Fw. Desimir Furtinović... Are you the seller?

Franck.

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hello Franck,

No, I'm not the seller. If I owned the photos I would probably never sell them. Unfortunately the whole lot of Fw. Furtinović, including photos, documents and flight logs, came into the hands of simple militaria dealers and now they are selling the items one by one only caring fot their profit

But, now to help you with the inccriptions.
#1 12. March 1944 (Nahod), Kreš? Šval?
The date of the crash is wrong as there are no known crashes on that day. According to the available Summerische Verlustmeldungen, the 15.(kroat.)/JG52 suffered three losses during March '44 - on the 10th, 11th and 23rd. The loss on the 10th March was a 100% loss, so I would rule out that one. The names written after the date are from Uffz. Vladimir Kreš and Uffz Albin Šval, probabley guessing who was the pilot in the crash. Nahod is the second name of Kreš.

#2 6.8.43 Herzogenaurach-Fürth, fighter school Nürnberg

#3 6.8.43 Herzogenaurach, Me 109 Bf 109 E, operational flight

#5 "Halz und Beinbruch" a german phrase for: "break a leg", unfortunately I can't read the signature of the pilot

#6 During .... Stuka .... our, Karakut, Krim 10.02.44

[Rasmussen]

#5. "... Ihr H.Schmidt"

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Originally Posted by Rasmussen

#5. "... Ihr H.Schmidt"

Danke Jorg!