Bf 110 ID

[chuckschmitz]

The attached photo shows what appears to be a Bf 110 F or G coded S9+IC although on a closer look it appears to be an R. Also the tail appears to show kill marks but the photo is not that crisp to really tell. So we have an ZG 1 Bf 110 coded either S9+IC or +RC. Any thoughts?

[Evgeny Velichko]

It is Bf110F, S9+IC, aircraft of Hptm. Gunter Tonne (one of his two a/c, second was S9+AC).

Caption say: SS-Sichert meine Me110 bei Uman.

This is probably aircraft, bellylanded on routine/transffer flight from Krakau to Eastern Front in may 1942, probably due engine failure.

In attach also second a/c of Tonne for that period - Bf110F S9+AC, with same victory bars, early summer 1942.

The third a/c of G.Tonne for summer 1942 was Bf110F S9+GC with simular victory bars.

This four letters - A, G, I, T were used most by Stab II./SKG210 and Stab II./ZG1 during 1941-42. Other letters, like C, were less used during this period.

[chuckschmitz]

Thanks so much for the addition information. Do you need a better scan?

[Evgeny Velichko]

Yes please, if possible.
wespenflieger @ hotmail. com

[chuckschmitz]

I will send you a better scan. But, I'm not sure it is the same aircraft. Check the right side prop, one is bent the other is not, the field looks different and the spacing on the tactical code is different.

Chuck

[Evgeny Velichko]

Yes, it is two different +IC's.

1. Wings of wasp are different.
2. Spacing between I and C are different
3. Right prop blade are different (one is damaged while another is not).

[chuckschmitz]

Same pilot?

[Jim P.]

I have 3 different 'S9+IC' machines (2 same WNr.) Tonne photo from J&P attached.:

Bf 110E-1, 4057, MATERN, Oblt. Karl-Heinrich, , II., Stab II., SKG 210, , S9+IC, BC+HW, , 29-Aug-41, WIA due to infantry fire., RK., Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol.6; Vasco, The Sting of the LW, p.125, , bei Iwanowskaja, südlich Ladogasee, b, F, , ,
Bf 110E-1, 4057, KALDRACK, Hptm. Rolf, 24, II., Stab II., ZG 1, , S9+IC, BC+HW, , 03-Feb-42, Gr.Kdr. Crew killed due to midair collision with Bf 110E-2 WNr. 4044., F RK. Coded 'S9+JC' per loss., VIII.Fl.Korps/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Vasco, The Sting of the LW, p.127; Obermaier, p.48, , Basary, 25km südlich Toropyetz, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Martin Enke, ,
Bf 110F-2, 4603, Petersen, Ltn. Rudolf, , II., Stab II., ZG 1, , S9+IC, , , 27-Dec-42, Crew killed in crash due to striking the ground after take-off., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Vasco, The Sting of the LW, p.137, , Fl.Pl. Krasnodar, 100%, H, Bf Uffz. Ernst Schönfelder, ,
Bf 110F-2, , TONNE, Hptm. Günther, 20, II., Stab II., ZG 1, grüne I, S9+IC, , Wespe on nose; 17 wei§ abschu§balken (1 Swiss, 8 West, 8 Russian), gelb band aft of wing root, 06-Jun-42, Kdr. Photographed from about this date., RK,EL., Ostfront, Jet & Prop 5/91 p.54 photo, , Bjelgorod, -, F, , ,

[chuckschmitz]

Given the appearance of the spinner I would say it was an F. And certainly there are kill markings or what appear to be on the tail. Take a close look and there seems to be the outline of an R and not an I. Could there have been a +RC?

[markjsheppard]

Chuckschmitt,

I think the R might be the Stammkennzeichen (factory codes) coming through. If an R it would be too close to the C.

regards

MS