Early FW 190 listings

[Rasmussen]

The W.Nr. 0110 086 had the call sign GE + QU and not GD + FI (isn't correct in all cases to add the row of signs with the missing letters of alphabet, often there were gaps).

source: FB Niggemeyer

Best wishes
Rasmussen

[Andrew Arthy]

Hi Rasmussen,

Thank you for this additional piece of information. Thanks also to Don Pearson for his assistance: it’s appreciated.

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Air War Publications – www.airwarpublications.com

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, all

Peter - are those documents from BMW archives?

Regards,
Andreas B

[thenelm]

For WNr. 0045 & 0065 I have the following (the last isn't a loss, but a FB entry):

Fw 190A-1, 10045, Wolf, Uffz. Martin, , , , JGr.West, , , , , 07-Jan-43, Killed in crash., , Lfl.3/FR, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13, , südlich Bordeaux, 100%, H, , ,
Fw 190A-1, 10045, n.n., , III., III., JG 26, , , , , 24-Apr-42, Bruchlandung due to technical failure., WNr. 045 per loss., Lfl.3/Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VII, p.400, , Fl.Pl. Wevelghem, 40%, F, , ,
Fw 190A-1, 10065, Pistor, Uffz. Georg, , III., 8., JG 26, , , , , 05-Dec-41, Sperrflug., , Lfl.3/Kanal, FB, , Fl.Pl. Coquelles, -, F, , ,



And the loss that Andreas referred to I have transcribed as: Fw 190A-5, 0029, ./., , I., I., SG 101, , , , , 30-Apr-44, Bombenwurf., , Lfl.Reich/FR, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, Flzg.-Unfälle und Verluste bei Schulen und usw., p.35, , Fl.Pl. Clermont-Ferrand, 100%, H, , ,



As anyone who has worked with the Schulen losses (Gen.Qu. stuff too) should know, sub types, as listed, are often wrong, not to mention that leading digits of WNr. are oft times truncated. This happens big time with Ju 88s in particular!! Since the A-5 WNr. 410029 was reported as a 70% loss with JG 51 in Oct-43, Andreas is more than likely correct with his listing.

[Andrew Arthy]

Hi Jim,

Thanks very much for the information about those two aircraft - that's some more gaps filled in the listing.

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com

[Jim P.]

What exactly is a 'Sperrflug'?

[Don Pearson]

Originally Posted by Jim P.

What exactly is a 'Sperrflug'?

I Googled it and got "interception flight".

Don

[RT]

The W.Nr. 0110 086 had the call sign GE + QU and not GD + FI (isn't correct in all cases to add the row of signs with the missing letters of alphabet, often there were gaps).

Beauvais also gave it as GE+QU, probably the whole GD+Fx is wrong

Rémi

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

Hi All,
here some clarification on the Stammkennzeichen and aircraft:
GD+FB is a He 111
GD+FC is a Ju 87
GD+FD is a He 111
GD+FE is a W 34
GD+FF is a Do 17
GD+FG is a Fw 44
GD+FH is a He 111
GD+FI is a He 111

GD+FN is correct Fw 190 A-1 110091
GD+FO is correct Fw 190 A-1 110093

the rest are correct ending in:
GD+FY as Fw 190 A-1 110102

GD+FZ is unknown to me.

Regards,

Norbert

[Don Caldwell]

Thanks, Andrew, for these useful lists. I can add more to the "Sperrflug" discussion. The best definition is "defensive patrol"; the root is from "barrier". JG 26 Flugbücher have many examples in 1941-42 of Sperrflüge over airfields and along railroad lines. They rarely resulted in interceptions, and would normally count as "operational non-combat" flights.

Horrido!

Don