Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[ChristianK]

I would love to Marc, but also a new account didn't work out Guess it is not meant to be..

[Oberst]

did you try logging in with facebook for the flikr picyure album?

[ChristianK]

Hi Oberst,
I tried to log in via Flickr/Yahoo directly and via Google. Two different accounts. I closed my Facebook account some months ago (but that's another topic). Maybe it's some kind of country IP issue like with ebay.com and it's nasty swastikas, but Flickr cannot be dodged so easily (I tried). I have no further idea...

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Ready to send the requested pictures via e-mail. Please contact me off board

Cheers
Marc

[Oberst]

Ebay bans Historic fotos with Swastika's?? Why? That seems pretty stupid to me.

[ChristianK]

Hi Oberst,
ebay in Germany bans auctions with photos showing swastikas in it. So normally you are not able to access them from a german IP. That's also the reason why swastikas are almost always photoshopped or made unseeable in german WWII photo auctions.
It's a legal issue formulated in § 86 of the german Strafgesetzbuch. In short: The old NSDAP and similar organisations are anticonstitutional, so one is forbidden to "promote" their symbols, ideas etc. Exceptions are made for civic enlightment, arts, sciences etc.
Basically, in the eyes of the german state and many people on ebay, what we do or what interests us is not educational, but blatant national socialist propaganda. Now one can be deeply ashamed and pray for forgiveness in some hidden corner in the forest and never ever look at Luftwaffe airplane photos again OR - you can just set the language settings in Internet Explorer to "English (US)". Problem solved.

Regards,
Christian

[Oberst]

I'll ask, have a link for your website?

[veltro]

It is not a website... sorry

You have a PM.

[Oberst]

Very nice pictures David. Your particular machines camo scheme seems to be bang on with Me 109G-10 W.Nr.490 655.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

David,

Your point and pictures are most interesting. The second shot is quite unique by it's sharpness and preserved colors.

I won't be able to answer your query about production dates; I can only notice that the type of camouflage shown by "Gelbe 2", KG(J) 27 at Kaufbeuren does show on a majority of Erla machines, be it in the 150 - 152, 490 - 491 and 770 blocks. The ones known to me and illustrated by pictures are listed here as follows:

A: W.Nr. 150 XXX - 152 XXX

1. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 150'816 "Schwarze 4", 6./JG 2, Langensalza, June 1945.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

2. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr.150'87. "Weisse 15", Germany, summer 1945. Source: Noro 2009, p. 173.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

3.Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 150 889 "Weisse 7", 1./JG 27, Risstissen, May 1945. Prien, Rodeike and Stemmer 1998, p. 506.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

4. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 151'035, "Grüne 2", I./JG 301, Germany 1945. Source: expired Tonelli auction.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

5. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr 151 567, "White 13" 1./JG 300, Wunstorf , April 1945. Source: Noro, H. (2009) "LO+ST", Dainippon Kaiga, p. 33
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

6.Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 152'043 "Weisse 57", Central Germany 1945, Hlidebrandt 1988 p.17
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917


B. W.Nr. 490 xxx - 491 xxx

1. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490'137, "Weisse 14", 15./JG 51, Hptm Waldemar Wagler, Rinkaby, May 1945. Source: forcedlandingcollection.se
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

2. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490 383 "Rote 17", Lt. Josef Jordan, 6./JG 300, before 14 January 1945. Prien and Rodeike 1995, p. 158.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

3. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490 621 "Bianco 3-11" 3a. Sq. I. Gruppo Caccia, Lonate Pozzolo, April 1945. D'Amico and Valentini 1985, p. 98
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

4. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490 629 "Gelbe 7", Lt. Werner Petereit, 7./JG 3, Garz, 11 March 1945. Prien and Stemmer 1996, p. 386.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

5. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr.490 642 "Rote 2", 2./JG 300, Pilot Fw Gzik.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

6. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490 655 "Gelbe 24", Lt. Anton Wöffen, Staka 6./JG 27, near Rheinberg, Germany, 11 March 1945. Source: http://www.asisbiz.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

7. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490 755 "Blaue 1", 8./JG 3, Garz, 1945. Prien and Stemmer 1996, p. 390.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

8. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 491 213 "Grüne 12", Ofhr. Bruno Klostermann, 11./JG300, Jüterbog-Waldlager, Autmun 1944. Lorant et Goyat 2005, p. 115.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

9. Bf 109 G-10, W.Nr. 491 320, "12 nero", serg. Carlo Cavagliano, 4a Squadriglia, II Gruppo Caccia, Northern Italy, before 12 February 1945. Beale, D'Amico and Valentini 1996, p. 169.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

10. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 491 354 "Giallo 2-2", 2a Sq. I. Gruppo Caccia, Lonate Pozzolo, April 1945. D'Amico and Valentini 1985, p. 98.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

11. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 491 356, Magg. Adriano Visconti, I. Gruppo Caccia, Lonate Pozzolo, April 1945. D'Amico and Valentini 1985, p. 92.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/


C. W.Nr. 770 xxx

1. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 770 293 "Gelbe 67", Rinkaby, 12 April 1945. Hitchcock 1977, p. 10.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

2. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 770 313 "Schwarze 3", Gatow, 1945. Source: Bergstrom and Pegg 2005, p. 188.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

3. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr.770 376 "Schwarze 9", NAGr 15, Liberec 1945. Source: Bergstrom and Pegg 2005, p. 186.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/



Actually, the ones with late war standardized tails which seem common with the K-4 camouflage pattern are very rare. The only one I know about is Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 491 300, Gardelegen 14 April 1945. Luftwaffe im Focus 2, p. 34.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

There is to my knowledge at least another Erla G-10 color picture extent, found here:
Bf 109 G-10, Erla type camouflage, Germany, 1945. Source: WW2incolour.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Hoping for a timely publication on those Erla built G-10's ;-)))

Cheers
Marc