Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[Marc-André Haldimann]

The latest ascertained W.Nr. for an Mtt built Bf 109 G-6:

Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 166207 "Schwarze 21", 11./JG 53 shot down and crash landed by Uffz Hubert Sommerhoff at Mölln, hinter der Alte Mühle , 11 September 1944. Strafed on the ground and burnt out, Uffz Sommerhoff WIA. Source: collection Bill Marshall via SDASM.

Original link:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasma...7718500716754/

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi there Gang,

A new to me Bf 109 G-5 photo is currently on offer. Any further information ?
https://www.ebay.de/itm/254952012648...4AAOSw8Epgf-Zh

Cheers
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks to George Morrison, over on Late war Bf 109's Group FB, we now know this is Bf 109 G-5 "Weisse 21" 1./Erpr.Kdo 25 at Wittmund, 25 June 1943. On the left is Uffz. Ulrich, who had just received the EK II; on the right, Uffz. Stawinoga.

The key for this ID is another photo from the same sequence published in Prien, Rodeike and Stemmer 1995, Bf 109 F, G & K Series, p. 135.

Cheers
Marc

[Crimea River]

Some new pictures here: https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/thread...-photos.55966/

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Hope these are of interest.

Andy

[Nick Beale]

With a bit of adjustment they both seem to be reconnaissance machines: 77022_ and possibly 201054.

If that second one is correct then it was a NAGr. 11 aircraft which suffered minor engine damage on 17 February 1945 during a non-operational flight.

If they were photographed together then the other may be 770220 which was delivered from München-Riem to Lonate, Italy on 24 February 1945 (ULTRA CX/MSS/T472/2).

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks Andy, for those great shots, and Nick for your W.Nr. decoding.

As said by you, Nick, Bf 109 G-8 W.Nr. 201054 form NAGr. 11 is known to have had engine trouble 17 February 1945, location unknown but most probably Udine-Campformido in Italy.

As for Bf 109 G-10/R2 W.Nr. 77022x "Kleine 7", it is believed to have been found in May 45 at Udine-Campoformido and to have been on strength at 1./NAGr. 11.

In this W.Nr. range, we can exclude :
- W.Nr. 770223, delivered from WNF to 1./NAGr. 3, 2 April 1945
- W.Nr. 770224 "Weisse 10", on strength with 2./NAGr. 12 in Hungary, late 1944 - early 1945
- W.Nr. 770228 "Weisse 12", 1./NAGr. 12, lost 25 March 1945 during a failed crash landing due to AAA east of Wilmsdorf, killing Oblt. Kurt Kohlhagen.

Thanks again for your find,
Marc

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

As for Bf 109 G-10/R2 W.Nr. 77022x "Kleine 7", it is believed to have been found in May 45 at Udine-Campoformido and to have been on strength at 1./NAGr. 11.
Marc

Trying to cast my mind back to when we were writing Air War Italy 1944–45, I think that Staffel colours were reversed in NAGr. 11, the 1. Staffel using black numbers and the 2. using white. This seemed to be a legacy of the units they had been formed out of in Autumn 1943, 4.(H)/12 and 2.(H)/14 respectively. 2./NAGr. 11 had eight Bf 109 G-10/R2 on 22 April 1945.

77022x came up in a thread here in (I think) 2012 and I saved a copy of the image as "Golding photos 002" (see attached).

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

Trying to cast my mind back to when we were writing Air War Italy 1944–45, I think that Staffel colours were reversed in NAGr. 11, the 1. Staffel using black numbers and the 2. using white. This seemed to be a legacy of the units they had been formed out of in Autumn 1943, 4.(H)/12 and 2.(H)/14 respectively. 2./NAGr. 11 had eight Bf 109 G-10/R2 on 22 April 1945.

77022x came up in a thread here in (I think) 2012 and I saved a copy of the image as "Golding photos 002" (see attached).

Thanks Nick, for recording us this tactical markings oddity.

Cheers
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi there Gang,

Thanks to Michael Veith, over on Late war Bf 109's Group, Fb, the best photo so far of Erla Leipzig built Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. unknown "Schwarze 3", 10./JG 51, seen after being flown in for surrender at Kopenhagen-Kastrup, May 1945. Source: Image from the RJ Atkinson personal collection.
https://fotoweb.airforcemuseum.co.nz...-Collection%2F

The second photo of a deep oil cooler Bf 109 G-14/AS or G-10 is possibly taken at Rheine in April 1945.
https://fotoweb.airforcemuseum.co.nz...DMesserschmitt

Cheers
Marc

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Hi there Gang,

Thanks to Michael Veith, over on Late war Bf 109's Group, Fb, the best photo so far of Erla Leipzig built Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. unknown "Schwarze 3", 10./JG 51, seen after being flown in for surrender at Kopenhagen-Kastrup, May 1945. Source: Image from the RJ Atkinson personal collection.
https://fotoweb.airforcemuseum.co.nz...-Collection%2F
Cheers
Marc

An Erla built G-10 with chin bulges?