Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Farrel

For comparison I did another profile for my blog based on a photo found at Neil Pages blog a long time ago. The photo depicts the right hand side of an Erla built G-10 and shows what could be a camoflagepattern that would fit nicely with the one seen on the left hand side of the "Grafenwöhr G-10".

Now I'll quit hi-jacking this thread, sorry... Got carried away.

Hello,

Hello,

A simple question (To all, not only Anders): So on Erla build G-10s there was an Half-moon link between fuselage and cowling on right side???

Thanks for your help.

Cheers, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Anders,

Thanks for your profiles. I concur for the Grafenwöhr machine, but not for W.Nr. 150 119 and 152 3.3. Those are obviously overall RLM 83 machines.

As for "Gigi", I jet can't remember posting it: getting old those days;-))

Cheers
Marc

[Cpt_Farrel]

150 119 is hard to judge since the photo is a little bleached on it's own but you might be right. 152 3.3. might just have some different shades though. Look at the area on the front half of the enginecowling for example.

I think it will be impossible to be certain of any of these schemes but at least we can be certain that it's Erla built aircraft we're dealing with.

Cheers! / Anders

[Rasmussen]

W.Nr. 150 119 didn't exist.

Regards
Rasmussen

[Oberst]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Anders,

As for "Gigi", I jet can't remember posting it: getting old those days;-))

Cheers
Marc

This one. it was marked as 'white 11' but I believe its 'black 7'.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Anders,

I will look at 152 3.3 with a calm head... ASAP.

Rasmussen,

Thanks for your input; may I ask for your source?

Thanks in advance
Marc

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Thanks for your input; may I ask for your source?

Nearly 30 years of research exclusivly on Erla ... your correct W.Nr. for this a/c was 151 965. You find an correct colour profile in the Lorant/ Goyat - book, volume 2, page 194 ... and ... none of the Erla a/c's had an "all - in - all" RLM 83 - camouflage because none of the Erla a/c's had RLM 83 on fuselage (if it was delivered direct by factory and not repainted somewhere).

Best regards
Rasmussen

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by Rasmussen

Nearly 30 years of research exclusivly on Erla ... your correct W.Nr. for this a/c was 151 965. You find an correct colour profile in the Lorant/ Goyat - book, volume 2, page 194 ... and ... none of the Erla a/c's had an "all - in - all" RLM 83 - camouflage because none of the Erla a/c's had RLM 83 on fuselage (if it was delivered direct by factory and not repainted somewhere).

Best regards
Rasmussen

Rasmussen,

Many many thanks for bringing in the correct W.Nr. of "Gelbe 5"! It is much appreciated. I would be glad to read what standard dark color was applied at factory level by Erla; and above all, I'm looking forward to see all your research published!

Thanks again
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks Oberst, for posting it.

I remember having seen it, but in which publication?

Anders and Srecko,

Flicking through Hideki Noro's excellent "LO+ST" (2009), I found a"huge" bunch of all dark Bf 109's pics, unfortunately without known W.Nr., as, for that matter, without much details:

Bf 109 G-6 or G-14 "Blaue 51", maybe found in Lechfeld, Summer 1945. Noro 2009, p. 169.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 15x xxx "Gelbe 17", Salzburg, Summer 1945. Noro 2009, p. 147.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 15x xxx "Weisse 6", 13./JG 301, Summer 1945. Noro 2009, p. 175.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Bf 109 G-14/AS, W.Nr. unknown, "Schwarze 473", Fürth 1945. Noro 2009, p. 112.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Bf 109 G, W.Nr. unknown, "Schwarze 51", Salzburg 1945. Noro 2009, p. 148. Scan is bad but in the book it's definitely an overall RLM 83 camouflage.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

And as the devil has it, Kemon 01 just posted today in his photo stream on Flickr a great shot of an overturned late-war Bf 109 G "Schwarze 1", as usual without any indication of date and place:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

This pretty much rounds up what I know about those overall RLM 83 camouflaged machines. A last one strikes my mind: Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 152 xxx "Gelbe 11" found at Deutsch Brod in 1945, and published by Janda and Poruba (2004), Messerschmitt Bf 109s of JG 52 in Deutsch Brod, JaPo, p. 46 - 53.

All told, I'm surprised myself by the comparatively large photographic evidence for those out of the main stream camouflaged machines. One wonders if all were produced by ERLA?

Cheers
Marc

[Oberst]

Schiffer Publishing - 1992 - Messerschmitt Bf109 F, G, and K. An Illustrated Study - Jochen Prien & Peter Rodeike - ISBN 0887404243

As for Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 152 xxx "Gelbe 11" I would consider it a very safe bet the most is not all with simular camouflage schemes were produced by Erla.
But I do not think it was a solid RLM 83.