Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[Marc-André Haldimann]

David,

Your point and pictures are most interesting. The second shot is quite unique by it's sharpness and preserved colors.

I won't be able to answer your query about production dates; I can only notice that the type of camouflage shown by "Gelbe 2", KG(J) 27 at Kaufbeuren does show on a majority of Erla machines, be it in the 150 - 152, 490 - 491 and 770 blocks. The ones known to me and illustrated by pictures are listed here as follows:

A: W.Nr. 150 XXX - 152 XXX

1. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 150'816 "Schwarze 4", 6./JG 2, Langensalza, June 1945.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

2. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr.150'87. "Weisse 15", Germany, summer 1945. Source: Noro 2009, p. 173.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

3.Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 150 889 "Weisse 7", 1./JG 27, Risstissen, May 1945. Prien, Rodeike and Stemmer 1998, p. 506.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

4. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 151'035, "Grüne 2", I./JG 301, Germany 1945. Source: expired Tonelli auction.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

5. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr 151 567, "White 13" 1./JG 300, Wunstorf , April 1945. Source: Noro, H. (2009) "LO+ST", Dainippon Kaiga, p. 33
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

6.Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 152'043 "Weisse 57", Central Germany 1945, Hlidebrandt 1988 p.17
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917


B. W.Nr. 490 xxx - 491 xxx

1. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490'137, "Weisse 14", 15./JG 51, Hptm Waldemar Wagler, Rinkaby, May 1945. Source: forcedlandingcollection.se
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

2. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490 383 "Rote 17", Lt. Josef Jordan, 6./JG 300, before 14 January 1945. Prien and Rodeike 1995, p. 158.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

3. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490 621 "Bianco 3-11" 3a. Sq. I. Gruppo Caccia, Lonate Pozzolo, April 1945. D'Amico and Valentini 1985, p. 98
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

4. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490 629 "Gelbe 7", Lt. Werner Petereit, 7./JG 3, Garz, 11 March 1945. Prien and Stemmer 1996, p. 386.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

5. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr.490 642 "Rote 2", 2./JG 300, Pilot Fw Gzik.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

6. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490 655 "Gelbe 24", Lt. Anton Wöffen, Staka 6./JG 27, near Rheinberg, Germany, 11 March 1945. Source: http://www.asisbiz.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

7. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490 755 "Blaue 1", 8./JG 3, Garz, 1945. Prien and Stemmer 1996, p. 390.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

8. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 491 213 "Grüne 12", Ofhr. Bruno Klostermann, 11./JG300, Jüterbog-Waldlager, Autmun 1944. Lorant et Goyat 2005, p. 115.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

9. Bf 109 G-10, W.Nr. 491 320, "12 nero", serg. Carlo Cavagliano, 4a Squadriglia, II Gruppo Caccia, Northern Italy, before 12 February 1945. Beale, D'Amico and Valentini 1996, p. 169.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

10. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 491 354 "Giallo 2-2", 2a Sq. I. Gruppo Caccia, Lonate Pozzolo, April 1945. D'Amico and Valentini 1985, p. 98.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

11. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 491 356, Magg. Adriano Visconti, I. Gruppo Caccia, Lonate Pozzolo, April 1945. D'Amico and Valentini 1985, p. 92.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/


C. W.Nr. 770 xxx

1. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 770 293 "Gelbe 67", Rinkaby, 12 April 1945. Hitchcock 1977, p. 10.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

2. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 770 313 "Schwarze 3", Gatow, 1945. Source: Bergstrom and Pegg 2005, p. 188.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

3. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr.770 376 "Schwarze 9", NAGr 15, Liberec 1945. Source: Bergstrom and Pegg 2005, p. 186.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/



Actually, the ones with late war standardized tails which seem common with the K-4 camouflage pattern are very rare. The only one I know about is Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 491 300, Gardelegen 14 April 1945. Luftwaffe im Focus 2, p. 34.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

There is to my knowledge at least another Erla G-10 color picture extent, found here:
Bf 109 G-10, Erla type camouflage, Germany, 1945. Source: WW2incolour.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Hoping for a timely publication on those Erla built G-10's ;-)))

Cheers
Marc

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

W.Nr. 490 xxx - 491 xxx

2. Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 490 383 "Rote 17", Lt. Josef Jordan, 6./JG 300, before 14 January 1945. Prien and Rodeike 1995, p. 158.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

Hello Marc,

you have to be more carefull with your research before you create new myths ... not all G-10 called Erla G-10 were Erla G-10 like #2. The Wnr. is wrong ... look on the chin bulges. I can't see your pictures but I fear there are some mistakes.

Regards
Rasmussen

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by Rasmussen

Hello Marc,

you have to be more carefull with your research before you create new myths ... not all G-10 called Erla G-10 were Erla G-10 like #2. The Wnr. is wrong ... look on the chin bulges. I can't see your pictures but I fear there are some mistakes.

Regards
Rasmussen

Agreed Rasmussen!

That's why I chose to go public: to be a common intelligence around this so intricate topic of late war Bf 109's... Thanks to the inputs of you all, this free for all fledgeling visual Encyclopedia of all W.Nr. documented Bf 109 G-6 through K-4 is gaining verified and solid ground.

Thanks again!
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

...
Actually, the ones with late war standardized tails which seem common with the K-4 camouflage pattern are very rare. The only one I know about is Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 491 300, Gardelegen 14 April 1945. Luftwaffe im Focus 2, p. 34.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625208099917

Cheers
Marc

Working on the database, I just noticed I forgot to post the following Erla G-10 among the late war standardized camouflage patterns tails:

Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr.152 354 "Schwarze 2", I./JG 4, Kleinhau, 18 December 1944. Hildebrandt 1988, p. 5
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Cheers
Marc

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr.152 354 "Schwarze 2", I./JG 4, Kleinhau, 18 December 1944. Hildebrandt 1988, p. 5
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

Marc,

how I wrote --- be careful with captions taken from other books! Your "Erla G-10" with "late war standardized camouflage pattern tails" is the Bf 109G14/AS W.Nr. 782354 "black 2" from 14./ JG 4, Oblt. Ernst Scheufele. Beside this ... an Erla W.Nr. 152 354 didn't exist.

Regards
Rasmussen

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Originally Posted by Rasmussen

Marc,

how I wrote --- be careful with captions taken from other books! Your "Erla G-10" with "late war standardized camouflage pattern tails" is the Bf 109G14/AS W.Nr. 782354 "black 2" from 14./ JG 4, Oblt. Ernst Scheufele. Beside this ... an Erla W.Nr. 152 354 didn't exist.

Regards
Rasmussen

Rasmussen,

Thanks again for correcting me; I'm deeply indebted to all researchers who help correcting the content of this database.
Looking also forward to be one of your first avid reader for your upcoming Erla book;-)


Oberst,

Thanks for your precision.

Cheers
Marc