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Old 15th November 2005, 17:55
Franek Grabowski Franek Grabowski is offline
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Re: Lent papers - a question

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I`am sorry, but you are really using the loss list of the Generalquartiermeister to confirm your story?! This document isn`t a war diary. It is a simple inaccurate loss list of the High Command with many gaps and errors.
Perhaps not everything was erroneous.
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The loss of the Do 17 of KG 77 was indeed noted there a day later (as many others). This conclusion is logical because all other documents are stating the 12.9.; the war diary of KG 77 (most accurate document!) as well as for example the loss lists of Luftflottenkommando 4. I quote:
Verlustmeldung vom 12.9.39.
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A2., 1. Uffz Meyer to Bergte II./KG 77 F, 2. Ltn.Reither II./KG 77 B, 3. Uffz. Bergs II./KG 77 BF. Weiteres noch nicht bekannt.

BA/MA Freiburg, RL 7/460
Independent accounts of Reither and Wróblewski, GQ loss list all indicating 13 September. I find this a little bit weird coincidence.
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I don`t know what your problem is, but you will never confirm that a German document could be more accurate than Polish (in this case even many documents).
I know.
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And after that you will never confirm that your story could be wrong. It seems to be a kind of war against Germans. Or Polish honour is forbidding it or the hell knows what it is.
I have not invented story of Wróblewski (coming from Ferić's diary at PISM, London and quoted by Cynk) nor Reither (published in SP magazine). You have invented a combat of 114 EM by manipulating narrative based on Kowalczyk's diary (PISM/Cynk). If pointing your errors is a war or anti-Germanism, then yes, please.
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Furthermore I was asking you for the Polish fighter unit which flew the sortie against the German formation, because you are doing as you would had a better information here. But apparently you haven`t. It is just bla, bla, bla...
I know better - there is no information of any Polish unit engaging German aircraft in Lublin area at the time! I CANNOT PROVIDE A PROOF FOR SOMETHING THAT DID NOT HAPPEN!
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But the best argument is that the author of the Polish article had no need to look at any German document (!). Very good Franek. I cannot discuss on on a such primitive level.
Well, an explanation for other readers.
The article, published in early 1990s, was about friendship between Reither and Czapliński (or Czaplicki?), OC for Lublin district. The article (as I remember, I have read it a few years ago) did not contain first hand accounts but described the events from the third person's view. It was described that Reither was downed by a fighter in Lublin area on 13 (IIRC) September, taken POW and brought to Czapliński. He provided them with escort and send to a prison or somewhere like that. When POWs left the building a mob appeared and wanted to lynch them - it was just after the German raid. Then Czapliński appeared and made a speach, that such behaviour is inapropriate to say the least and that Poles are civilised nation that seeks no revenge and does care about POWs. People went away and the German crew was escorted to prison.
Post-war Reither contacted Czapliński and expressed him his gratitude for saving his life. They remained in touch until Czapliński's death, and then Reither corresponded with a son of Czapliński, presumably until he passed away a few years ago.
I do not remember the date but I remember that it struck me that Reither's account fitted perfectly to Wróblewski's one, so I am certain it was 13 September.
I do not see a slightest point of using any bloody German documents in such an article.
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I quit.
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