Soviet airfield near Baku

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Hello, I am searching to identify the location of an airfield near Baku in 1942. At this date it was the base of 14 AMP, where aircraft were being repaired for units fighting more north.

My source gives the name location as Kishlyk (Кишлык) or Kishlykskogo airfield (Кишлыкского аэродрома), which I mean is the same, but the only place name Kishlyk I could find is in Uzbekistan, not the right country.

On the other hand there are several places in Azerbaijan with a names in two parts and the first part being Kichik or Kicik, so I think my location could be one of these.

Can someone help ?

Bets regards

Edited: Thanks for moving this to the right forum.

[oquaig]

Hi Laurent,
Could you tell me a little more about 14 AMP (or is it AMR ?) what kind of aircraft did did they repair ? and what are these "names in two parts and the first part being Kichik or Kicik" ?

Thanks

[oquaig]

Kishlykskogo airfield ( 41.1366496N, 47.1605301E ) is 3 km south of Saki or Shaki, Kish-Kishlak as it was called in 1941. It was a VVS airfield but no combat units were based there in 1941. I have not researched 1942.

[Larry deZeng]

..........near Baku in 1942..........

That's too vague a description to be of much use. There were something like 10,000 - 14,000 airfields in the USSR during World War II. Here are some of these airfields that were "near Baku" including Baku airfield inself:

Adzhikabul/85 km SW of Baku/Azerbaijan (Transcaucasus MD)
Baku/Azerbaijan on shore of Caspian Sea (Transcaucasus MD)
Lenkoran/200 km SSW of Baku in Azerbaijan (Transcaucasus MD)
Nasosnyy/39 km NNW of Baku in Azerbaijan (Transcaucasus MD)
Pushkino/90 km SW of Baku in Azerbaijan (Transcaucasus MD)
Yevlax/220 km W of Baku in Azerbaijan (Transcaucasus MD)
Zalyani/110 km SW of Baku in Azerbaijan

Here are 4 more that begin with "Kis" or "Kiz":

Kiskunlacháza/34 km S of Budapest
Kizil-Arvat/115 km WNW of Ashkhabad (Ashgabat/Turkmenistan) (Central Asia MD)
Kizlyar/280 km NNE of Tiflis (T’bilisi/Georgia) (North Caucasus MD)

None of these seem to fit really well.

L.

[oquaig]

I am pretty sure this is correct. If you look at the location you will see the airfield. Go to google paramino and click on the pictures, you will see Seki-Qislak . The little town north of it is Kish. The northern suburb of Saki is Nukha and the southern is Qislak (russified as Kislyk). In 1941 they were small towns but the settled part of the valley was also called Kish-Khislak.
I have done my home work and research on place names and study maps of that time period. If someone tells me they are looking for airfields around Baku I don’t look for them in Armenia (Lenkoran), or Turkmenistan.

There are three airfields at Baku: Bina, Gala, Zabrat.
Here is my list of Azerbaijan airfields I have been able to identify:

Adzhi-Kabul AKA Adzhikabul, Hajigabul, Gadzhgabul 40.0328721N, 48.9058113E Home of 266 IAP

Aghstafa 41.1230733N, 45.421257E

Bank AKA S.V.Bank 39.4187234N, 49.2573738E home of 265 IAP

Bolshoi Shiraki 41.3818642N, 46.377368E

Dollyar 40.8579672N, 46.0261917E

Fosta AKA Shirvan 39.8312136N, 48.9694977E

Gala 40.4091174N, 50.2014256E Home of 36, 45 IAP

Ganja AKA Kirovobad 40.6285456N, 47.1395874E (don’t tell the Rastafarians)

Kish-Kishlak AKA (Kishlykskogo airfield) Saki, Shaki, Seki-Qislak (Qislak, southern suburb of Shaki) 41.1366496N, 47.1605301E

Kizil’-Agach AKA Kyzylagach (Kirov Bay),
Masalli 38.9899697N, 48.7999821E

Kyurdamir 40.274549N, 48.1613159E

Lankaran 38.7446449N, 48.8194656E

Nasosnaya 40.5953155N, 49.5541763E Home of 25, 50 IAP

Parsagat AKA Pirsagat 39.8578371N, 49.3406296E Home of 268 IAP

Salyan AKA Suleymeshkent 39.6483443N, 48.9917922E Home of 267 IAP

Sangachal 40.1308207N, 49.4556856E

Sital-Chay 40.8056238N, 49.4218254E

Yevlakh40.6285456N, 47.1395874E


Like my search for Tyrkovo airfield, it took a while but I did my home work, I even asked you friend Doug Stankey who gave me a location 5 km to west. When I asked my friend (who lives in St. Petersburg) he looked it up:
“I've only found one mention of it from a reference to a priest from this village executed in 1937. This is about 25 km to the southwest of Luga. It is called Tyrkovo-Toroshkovich… http://wikimapia.org/#lat=58.5036501&lon=29.7966385&z=13&l=0&m=b&search =58.5036501N%2C%2029.7966385E “

But the name changed after the war, as often happened in parts of the Soviet Union that were war torn (Town/village destroyed, inhabitants all dead or never returned) It is now called Gorodets.

[Larry deZeng]

If someone tells me they are looking for airfields around Baku I don’t look for them in Armenia (Lenkoran), or Turkmenistan.

Is this some sort of a put-down aimed at me? FYI, "near Baku" is a highly relative term. What is "near" to you may not be "near" to Laurent R., and what is "near" to Laurent R. may not be "near" to me.

I have a small file with about 8% to 10% of the wartime airfields in the USSR taken from the Ic (Fremde Luftwaffen Ost)/Lw.-Führungsstab publication Flugplätze der U.d.S.S.R. dated 1943 and from various other FLO studies and interrogation reports. I selected those within 200-220 km of Baku and put them up as a quick offering for Laurent's consideration using the word "some" to convey to him that it was just a sample.

On the other hand, if you have the time to spend hours and hours constructing a comprehensive list of all possibilities, then I am sure Laurent will be most grateful.

L.

[oquaig]

Sorry, I don't want you to think of it as a put down or even personal... I have a great deal of respect for you and your work, that is why I own some of your books. And yes I have been spending a lot of time lately doing research on air fields in Transcaucasus MD, TransBaikal MD and Far Eastern Front and also trying to unscramble the orders of battle for those districts. You do not have to accept my conculsion, I was only defending it.

Best regards
oquaig.

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Hello to all,

I think that the probable location of the incident I was searching is this one:

Kish-Kishlak AKA (Kishlykskogo airfield) Saki, Shaki, Seki-Qislak (Qislak, southern suburb of Shaki) 41.1366496N, 47.1605301E

Sadly, my PC has crashed shortly after the query above and I have lost both my notes and the source (a Russian website) where I have found it first. And I have tried several Google searches this week-end without success to find it back.

[Larry deZeng]

No problemo, oquaig. Probably just a misunderstanding on my part.

Good luck and best wishes with your project. Books, studies and papers on the VVS in English are in great need due to the dearth of material on the subject.

Best regards,

Larry

[oquaig]

Hi Guys,

Maybe this will help: