Books about Luftwaffe and air war by Olaf Gröhler

[Marius]

Jens,

2. We had an interesting and hot discussion here on the forum where I asked for such a Luftwaffe document clearly showing the German intention against civilians (in Poland or later). Nobody was able to show us such a document and this is very interesting, even surprising.
If Groehler would have know more he had never to cut out the sentences from this particular original document. He surely would present such a "strong" document. The solution is clear: he hadn`t at hand a better document.

3. Joachim Trenkner`s article is well known. But it is a fairy tale (the ZDF reportage was based on Trenkner`s article). The only truth is that on 1.9. German bombs hit Wielun. The rest is based on what was written in Poland after the war. And this was clear directed in a particular direction (one more German war crime). Trenkner even manipulated the take off time of the Ju 87`s in German original documents to bring the evidence that the bombing attack was a brutal act of terror against civilians (according to Trenker the bombs fell at 4.40 hours - 5 minutes before the official attack by German troops!!).

The machine gun fire is much questionable. Every book describing the opening of the war on 1.9.1939 is stating about the very bad weather conditions in the morning of that day. Make your conclusions yourself.

In original German documents you will find the military target expected in Wielun: a Polish "cavalry brigade". Yes, hereby were killed civilians. But the intention was to hit Polish troops, not civilians.

Marius

[Jan-Hendrik]

I found an interesting interview with Dr.Horst Boog regarding the bombing of Wielun and the myths around it :

http://www.jf-archiv.de/archiv04/404yy50.htm

Jan-Hendrik

[Jukka Juutinen]

Could you summarize what Boog says in the two last paragraphs (mentioning Mölders and Nowotny) as my German was overwhelmed in trying to decipher that.

[Jan-Hendrik]

Boog is primary critisizing this german TV programm :

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/10/0,...185322,00.html

where the Wielun was presented in a sensationalized way with such sentences like "The history of WW2 has to be rewritten" as such stuff . Interestingly those jounarlists contacted Dr.Boog while producing this stuff , he told them clearly where they may find primary sources for the case Wielun , but instead of doing this research they presented Treckners claims as facts . He clearly points out that there are no primary sources backing up the claim of "Terrorbombing" , au contraire , they clearly show that it was a "normal" tactical attack . He was very angry about this "sensationalized" presentation and the stupid employment of Generalisation in this programme .

Then he comes to the allegations against Mölders and Nowotny in German TV , which were not backup with facts anyway , just with plump claims .



In my opinion he is right , because if we research historic events it is our duty to divide claims from facts ! And , as I took a look on the locked discussion regarding the Topic of Wielun and Frampol , I was shocked that those contributors who still claim the allegation of "Terrorbombing" where unable to present any primary sources backing up their claim . Thats more than unprofessional on historic research . If have already seen to many WW2--myths that shattered into pieces as someone did real research on them .

Just my humble 2 cents ,

Jan-Hendrik