NAGr. 4 loss 24.07.43

[red-star25]

Another GQM-report with missing informations:
24.07.1943 area Sewsk-Lgoff-Kursk-Fatesh Bf 110 G 485 L8+DL 100%
Lt. Franz von Hein MIA.
Does anybody has the NVM, which will give the full c/n?

Thanks in advance

Dirk

[Jim P.]

Possibly WNr. 4855? Or 4853, 4854? Only these 3 are missing in the series.

Bf 110G-3, 4850, Schüller, Fw. Walter, , III., 7., ZG 76, , M8+NR, , , 29-Nov-43, Crew KIA due to Luftkampf., At Dostwald per Ring., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/RLV, WASt; Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12)-Vol.24; Einsatzmeldung der 7./ZG 76/8-Nov-43; Ring, ZG 76 loss list, , Hollandische Küste, 100%, F, Bf Uffz. Lütje Holsten, ,
Bf 110G-3, 4850, ./., , III., 7., ZG 76, , M8+NR, , , 08-Nov-43, From strength report., , RLV, Einsatzmeldung der 7./ZG 76, , Fl.Pl. Ansbach, -, H, , ,
Bf 110G-3, 4851, n.n., , , , NAGr. 8, , , , , 26-Aug-43, Bruchlandung due to engine trouble., , Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.20, , Fl.Pl. Wilna, 45%, H, , ,
Bf 110G-3, 4852, n.n., , , , NAGr. 1, , , , , 20-Sep-43, Undercarriage damage during landing., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22, , Fl.Pl. Preobraschenka, 20%, H, , ,
Bf 110G-3, 4852, Goering, Uffz. Kurt, , , , NAGr. 1, , , , , 24-Oct-43, Injured in crash due to technical failure. Bf OK., 14-Oct?, Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12)-Vol.23, , Apostolowo, 10%, H, , ,
Bf 110G-3, 4855?, Hein, Ltn. Franz von, , , , NAGr. 4, , L8+DL, , , 24-Jul-43, MIA with crew, cause unknown., WNr. 485 per loss., Lfl.6/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.19, , (Sewsk-Lgoff-Kursk-Fatesh), 100%, F, B Ltn. Günther Kranz & Bf Ogefr. Kristian Frisch, ,
Bf 110G-4, 4856, n.n., , IV., 10., NJG 1, , , , , 31-Jul-43, Crashed due to engine trouble. Crew FSA., Combat flight 'F' per Balss., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.20; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.174, , bei Akersloot, 100%, H, , ,
Bf 110G-4, 4857, LINKE, Oblt. Lothar, 27, IV., 12., NJG 1, , G9+CZ, , , 14-May-43, Killed, struck tail in FSA due to engine fire., F RK. At Staveren per loss. Had claimed 2 Lancasters. 13/14-May per Balss., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #10)-Vol.17; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.94; Höhler, Deutsche Nachtjagd Personalverluste, p.25; Obermaier, p.159, , westnordwestlich Lemmer, 100%, F, Bf Ofw. Walter Czybulka, ,
Bf 110G-4, 4858, Kuthe, Ltn. Wolfgang, 8, IV., 11., NJG 1, , G9+CY, , , 14-Apr-43, Crew killed in crash., 14/15-Apr per Balss. Bs = Bf, Bf = Bm per loss., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.16; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.88; Höhler, Deutsche Nachtjagd Personalverluste, p.25; Wespennest Leeuwarden, II, p.138, , Fl.Pl. Leeuwarden, 100%, H, Bf Uffz. Helmut Bonk & Bs Ogefr. Erich Hühn, ,
Bf 110G-4, 4859, n.n., , IV., IV., NJG 1, , , , , 02-Jul-43, Notlandung due to technical failure., Combat flight 'F' per Balss., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.19; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.159, , Fl.Pl. Leeuwarden, 10%, H, , ,
Bf 110G-4, 4859, n.n., , II., II., NJG 5, , , , , 03-Oct-43, Undercarriage damage., , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.231, , Fl.Pl. Parchim, 40%, F, , ,

[Matti Salonen]

Could also be 4845, because in the same day:
1943-07-24, 3./NAGr. 4, Bf 110G-3, 4847, Pl.Qu 5342, Notlandung infolge Feindbeschuß und Flugzeug am Boden verbrannt. Bruch 100 %.

Also 4839 and 4844 were operated by NAGr. 4.

Matti

[Charles Bavarois]

Hello Dirk,

it's WNr. 4845.
WASt reports von Heins christian name like "Günter".
He flew with OGfr Christian Frisch from Verbindungsstaffel 54 as his Bordfunker and Lt Günther Kranz as Beobachter. Lt. Kranz perhaps originated from the Heer as he was reported like "Kriegsoffizier, Reserve, Heer", but nevertheless was member of NAGr 4 as he had a Erkennungsmarke from this unit.

HTH

Carl

[red-star25]

Many thanks for all for the informations.
Sometimes it´s hard to find out, how the typo is.

Regards

Dirk

[Frans A]

Jim P,
4850 was not lost due to Luftkampf but it collided with Bf 110G-3, 5688 M8+CR of 7./ZG76 with FF Lt. Gerhard Trunner, WIA and Bf. Ogfr. Ferdinand Ribo KIA (Ysselsteyn CB-14-336)
Both aircraft crashed at Oostwold Holland.
Frans A