KG51 and Armawir raid 4/5.Nov.42

[Larry deZeng]

Hi Andrey,

If you go to TsAMO some day, I would be very interested in knowing if Soviet military intelligence - probably VVS intelligence - maintained files on all of the German-occupied airfields in the former USSR from the 22 June 1941 border all the way east to Stalingrad. Each folder would probably include air reconnaissance photos, agent reports, partisan reports, etc., regarding what the Germans were building on the airfield, what the condition of the airfield was, what Luftwaffe units were there and so forth. The surviving German documents for such information are almost non-existent. The Western allies had little or no information either.

Thanks,

Cheers,

Larry

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Hi Larry,

Originally Posted by Larry deZeng

Each folder would probably include air reconnaissance photos, agent reports, partisan reports, etc., regarding what the Germans were building on the airfield, what the condition of the airfield was, what Luftwaffe units were there and so forth.

Didn't see such folders in TsAMO to date among many hundreds of folders which I got. But I'll try to find. It is interesting really. I'll let you know.

Originally Posted by Larry deZeng

If you go to TsAMO some day,

Not earlier than May or June, if it happens this year

Best regards,
Andrey

[Larry deZeng]

Thanks, Andrey. I appreciate that. There is no hurry.

Larry

[Monaco]

Maybe this is some surplus information:
25.10.42:
AE. Armavir; Stab/KG51; He111P-6; 2948; 100; Bombing; -; 4; ;
AE. Armavir; II./KG.51; Ju88A-4; 4018; 60; Bombing; -; 4; ;
AE. Armavir; II./KG.51; Ju88A-4; 2256; 25; Bombing; -; 4; ;
AE. Armavir; II./KG.51; Ju88A-14; 144231; 100; Bombing; -; 4; ;
AE. Armavir; II. /KG51; Ju88A-14; 144242; 100; Bombing; -; 4; ;
AE. Armavir; II./KG51; Ju88C-6; 460013; 100; Bombing; -; 4; ;
On 26.10.42:
Armavir; 7./KG.76; Ju88A-14; 4070; 20; Damage to the chassis; -; 4; ;

Just BTW were the attackers from the "night witches" from 588 NBAP?

Greets

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Originally Posted by Monaco

Maybe this is some surplus information:
25.10.42: ...

Thank you, I know it.
So 6 destroyed/damaged a/c in GQM against 5+11=16 in the Korück 550 report (and maybe some of slightly damaged had damages>=5%)

Originally Posted by Monaco

Just BTW were the attackers from the "night witches" from 588 NBAP?
Greets

Don't know to date.

Best regards,
Andrey

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Hello Monaco

Originally Posted by Monaco

Maybe this is some surplus information:
Just BTW were the attackers from the "night witches" from 588 NBAP?
Greets

According to operative report of 4.VA, 7 Bombers of 50.air division of ADD (Long Range Aviation) made the raid in question, not U-2, as in the Dierich's book about KG51.
They claimed 15 a/c destroyed on the Armawir airfield.

Best regards,
Andrey

[Larry deZeng]

Yesterday before leaving TsAMO found in the inventory a folder "The cards with description of the airfields" 1943 (5.VA area). I hope to order it in July. Maybe it is something like the folders in question.

Thanks, Andrey, it will be interesting to find out what sort of information the cards contain.

Larry

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Hello Larry,

Originally Posted by Larry deZeng

Hi Andrey,

If you go to TsAMO some day ... Each folder would probably include air reconnaissance photos, agent reports, partisan reports, etc., regarding what the Germans were building on the airfield, what the condition of the airfield was, what Luftwaffe units were there and so forth.

Yesterday before leaving TsAMO found in the inventory a folder "The cards with description of the airfields" 1943 (5.VA area). I hope to order it in July. Maybe it is something like the folders in question.

Best regards,
Andrey