Photos 3-8-13

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...=111026506167: Ar 232 B-0, III/KG 200 (?), 1944.
Cheers
Marc

The only photo in this long list that I can comment on ... The Ar 232s with KG 200 would have served with the I. Gruppe which handled all the transport operations. The III. Gruppe did not form until January 1945 and was equipped with Fw 190 F-models.

More about KG 200's (unusual) structure via this link:
http://www.ghostbombers.com/kf4/West/kg200org.html

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

1/ When clicking around at the site I don't get nowhere and the info that comes up is either blank or just return me to square one again.

2/ Yes "quintuplane" would have been a relevant name if the wings had been stacked on top of each other, but now they have such strange positions that I can't recall ever having seen such a wing design before.

3/ However I am still waiting for some feedback from France....

4/ With Jarty being involved with bikes and the owner reported as a bicycle champion are we looking at some kind of ornithopter (man powered aircraft) here?
Stig

1/ This link (SiS) is a dead end. Need to go on National Air & Space Museum site .. and try to find a good address ... which is not obvious. I don't know what kind of documents they have but, at least, when they say "pictures" means that they knew the plane ... Unless there is somebody in Smithsonian watching eBay!!!

2/ Very close to Henri Mignet concept, isn't it?

3/ You do have a contact? Good luck!

4/ I tend to think yes because of the said patent.

Note: that among the avionettes some got engine and were biplace ... Let's say that in general "Avionette" is the old word for "Ultra-light".
Note 2: "Avionette" is still in use in Portuguese language - at least - to talk about "tourism planes" not necessarily ultra-lights.

Regards, Franck.

[edwest]

Just to add more confusion... I mean help with the Jarty, here is a magazine that mentions someone named Jarty under "constructors" ? I have no comprehension of French. Please excuse.

http://aerostories.org/~aerobiblio/article691.html




Best,
Ed

[ouidjat]

Hi Ed,

Yes, I did'nt put that link but detail are in the PdF link I did put on former post.

Nothing to understand except it is cited as (airplane) French Constructor. They did build one hence they are considered as Airplane constructor.
The said C. Claveau who wrote the listing must have a source.
More important; as shown by TU and SiS is that documentaion MUST exist somewhere ... It's just not available online.

Stig said he was waiting for feedback; let's see.

Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Nick,

Many thanks for your precision; it is appreciated.

Cheers
Marc

[Stig Jarlevik]

OK Guys

Here is Charles Claveau's answer (who wrote the piece in Le Trait d'Union) and who is compiling his knowledge about French manufactures between 1919-45 in said magazine.
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It is a clear relation between this strange aircratf and the "aviette" used by Henri Bréau in 1934 : the logo "Jarty" is exactly the same. This strange aircraft has been found by german troops in Villacoublay in july 1940. I think this strange aircraft is an "aviette" meaning a muscular airplane.
What is not explained, is who was "Jarty", the manufacturer or the sponsor for these two machines.
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I have replied with Franck's suggestion Jarty was involved with bicycles and perhaps even a bicycle manufacturer or bicycle dealer.

Cheers
Stig

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hallo again

Anyone interested in the Jarty Aviette of 1934 can contact me with a private message. I have received a photo from Charles taken from contemporary magazines at the time.

Cheers
Stig