Summarische Verlustmeldung vs. Bestandsmeldung

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

Thank you Franek,
you are correct. I was just hoping someone had the golden egg. I just need to be more patient and keep on putting those small pieces together. All I wanted to do is establish a connection between the Summarische Verlustmeldungen and the Bestandsmeldungen. But as you all stated I'm going to take all with a big grain of salt.

Thanks again for all who responded to my post.

Norbert

[Franek Grabowski]

Norbert
I think there should be a distribution list as well as a date of submitting on headers of original monthly reports. This possibly allow some conclusions but you should not overestimate value of those documents. They were not primary ones, filed based on other documents and prone for every kind of error, including typos. A comparison of monthly reports vs GQ6 losses of JG26 in the Spring 1942 indicates that there are errors in subvariants, classification of losses and ommisions. Statistical analysis leads to other, surprising conclusions.
It seems research on the German aircraft is not up to RAF research standard. What is needed, is a careful research on every aircraft and every sortie based on every available document and not only few surviving KTBs or GQ6 lists.
Cheers

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

Franek,
I'm well aware of all those shortcommings. But since there are only the Summarische Verlustmeldungen and the Bestandsmeldungen especially for the year 1944, I was hoping to establish a connection. I suffered through many GQ6 loss reports so I known exactly what you are talking about. Especially when you come accross pages of pages of corrections and additions to previous reports. This is what makes it truly a puzzle. I'm presently working through Summarische loss lists and since they do not give the type of aircraft nor the pilot or crew info I was just fishing for a possible connection to get at least an aircraft in there.

Thanks again for the information. I will continue with my puzzle

Regards,

Norbert

[Franek Grabowski]

Norbert
I was not in any way going to discourage you, but I am afraid it is not possible to find links between two, inaccurate by definition documents. I would consider monthly summaries only as indicative of number of losses but not definite source of them.
Drop me your email on PM, please, so I will send you next week some interesting statistical observations.

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

Franek,
followed your request, check your PM.
In the last two days I copiled the Summarische Verlustmeldungen from all NSGr. and compared them with the Bewegungsmeldungen. You are correct not a lot in common. At times during a bombing raid a unit looses 10 aircraft and there is no mention during the month in question or the previous and following month. In some instances I was able to make a connection as to the type of aircraft lost but this was the extent of it. I picked the NSGr. since they did not have that many losses and the data was more manageable.

I also compared the data I have with what Nick Beale has in his book about NSGr. 9 and there are differences here too.

The search continues......

Reagrds,

Norbert

[Orla Kragh Jensen]

Hello Norbert.

I just resently has come back to continue my research, specificly on NSGr.11 in the period from December 43 to October 44. I'm searching for loss lists, plane addings etc. etc. for the unit for the time mentioned.

I hope you can help me or direct me to sources available.

Regards

Orla

[nikboj]

I am looking for information on Hans-Hermann Müller, I know he passed away, but do not have any knowledge of him. His age, birthday and last address ? What date and year did he pass away ? I am trying to find his grave somewhere in Germany. Do you think you could help ?
Nikolaj Bojer

[nikboj]

Oblt Hans-Hermann Müller was in 10 NJG3, first at Ålborg West and then Grove.
Do anyone have knowledge of what happened to him

[ju55dk]

Yes he survived the war. Later retired as LtCol. from the Bundesluftwaffe.

Junker