luftwaffe losses, Arnheim 9/28/1944

[Laurent Rizzotti]

From the summary of Luftwaffe losses database, completed by various books for the loss location, here are the fighter losses for this day:

I./JG 2: 1 destroyed by enemy aircraft, 1 without enemy action
IV.(Sturm)/J.G.3: 4 lost in an air battle over Germany against 8th Air Force
I./J.G.4: 1 missing over Eastern France
II.(Sturm)/J.G.4: 9 lost in an air battle over Germany against 8th Air Force and 1 destroyed without enemy action
I./J.G.11: 1 destroyed by enemy aircraft
I./J.G.77: 3 destroyed by enemy aircraft
I./J.G.300: 6 lost in an air battle over Germany against 8th Air Force and 1 destroyed without enemy action
II./J.G.300: 5 lost in an air battle over Germany against 8th Air Force

[John Manrho]

I.JG 77 and I./JG 11 were losses in the "Arnhem area". If you could be more specific (time, type, claim of who) we might be able to tell more.

[tjms50]

Ops. Order #199, Mission #Y21-7.On Sept.28th,1944 the 404th FG, flying a group fighter sweep in the "area from/to Aachen-Venlo-Nijmegen-Arnheim-Hertogenbosch-Eindhoven-Aachen" was attacked by approx. 20 Bf-109s at 1625 hrs. at approx. 20,000 ft. northwest of Arnheim/map point E-4389. Seven 109s were claimed, six by 508th FS 2nd Lt. John W. Wainwright. One Fw-190 & one Bf-109 were also claimed damaged. Two P-47s were also damaged, one my dad was flying. I hope this further information helps.

[karl lusink]

Originally Posted by tjms50

Ops. Order #199, Mission #Y21-7.On Sept.28th,1944 the 404th FG, flying a group fighter sweep in the "area from/to Aachen-Venlo-Nijmegen-Arnheim-Hertogenbosch-Eindhoven-Aachen" was attacked by approx. 20 Bf-109s at 1625 hrs. at approx. 20,000 ft. northwest of Arnheim/map point E-4389. Seven 109s were claimed, six by 508th FS 2nd Lt. John W. Wainwright. One Fw-190 & one Bf-109 were also claimed damaged. Two P-47s were also damaged, one my dad was flying. I hope this further information helps.

Hello.
Probably I./JG 77
Lt Wulf Focke + 3./JG 77 Wesel area
Lt Helmut Klinker + 3./JG 77 Bergen/Heijen (NL)
Lt Hans Dieter Student + 2./JG 77 Nw of Dorsten
Died of wounds in Lazarett Dorsten
Student was the son of Gen. Oberst Kurt Student (1st Paratroop Army)

Regards
Karl Lusink

[John Manrho]

Just to add a few more details;

Bf 109G-14, werknummer 413900, red 7, 2./JG 77
Lt. Hans-Dieter Student, born 28.04.1924 (KIA).
Crashed near Brünen/Wesel.

Bf 109G-14, werknummer 461445, yellow 13, 3./JG 77
Lt. Wulf Focke, born 19.04.1921 (KIA).
Crashed near Wesel.

Bf 109G-14, werknummer 460383, yellow 9, 3./JG 77
Lt. Hellmuth Klinker, born 12.06.1923 (KIA).
Crashed near Bergen/Heijen.

There might have been more losses where the pilot escaped unhurt.

Unfortunately not much is known about the mission. Lt. Focke was an experienced pilot with 13 Victories and Lt. Klinker had 3 victories. There was a one hour time difference between UK and German time. I. Gruppe JG 77 reported combat with P-47 around 18.00 hrs. One P-47 was claimed shot down by Oblt. Bruno Kolthoff who himself was killed 8 days later in the same area.

Cheers,

John.

Ps. Don't know who the Fw 190 claim was. The loss of I./JG 11 was probably in the morning.

[tjms50]

Thanks very much! My dad had his canopy blown out on the first pass & went into a flat spin,he being knocked unconcious & not recovering until below 1,000 ft. His plane may very well have been claimed as a kill by the German pilot.