Bf 109F W.Nr 9209 - 6./JG52!!!

[mmoustaf]

Hello

I've have got a NII VVS report on Bf 109F-2 trials in 1942

In this report I see the following numbers

Engine

Nr DB-601N1 31399

Fuselage

Baumuster BF 109F-2
Baujahr 1941
Werk No 9209

Propeller

Sach Nr 9-11207 - 3078
W.Nr 26336
Hersteller DM/773


Also there are photos that show the plane and it has 6./JG52 batch and number 4+- as a kennung.
While the common oppinion is that the plane is from 8./JG51

Now I see it is not true

In Barbas book of II/JG52 there I hve found a confirmation about W.Nr. 9209 being 100% lost near Solnechnogorsk on 26.11.1941 due to the bad weather.

Also I have the photos of a plane in mild condition on the snow.

[mmoustaf]

Photos from the report (note 6/JG52 badge)

[mmoustaf]

And photos from Solnechnogorsk (nearby my cottage) November 1941

[Jim P.]

Here's the loss, which it sounds like you have?

Bf 109F-2, 9209, n.n., , II., 6., JG 52, , , PK+ZM, , 26-Nov-41, Bruchlandung in bad weather., WNr. 9206 per Prien, earlier lost by MÜTHERICH from JG 54., VIII.Fl.Korps/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol.7; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VI.2, p.51; Fast, JG 52, IV, p.54, , Solnetschogorsk, 100%, F, , ,

[RolandF]

I have those contradicting entries:
WNr 9209, PK+ZM, Bf109F-2, 8./JG 51, Oblt A.Niss(!), 22.02.42 abgeschossen bei Tuschino, POW, captured USSR
with the possibility this might be
WNr 9692, SG+MF, Bf109F-2, schw 16 + |, 8./JG 51, StaFü Oblt Anton Nies(?), 22.02.42 Notlandung 100% nach Flaktreffer bei Tiefangriff, MIA bei Lukowojkowa, captured USSR
There are two other conflicting data in my list:
WNr 9206, PK+ZJ, Bf 109F-2, schw 10 + -, 5./JG 54, StaKap Hubert Mütherich+, 09.01.41 Bauchlandung 100%, Luftkampf mit MiG-3, Baumkollision nw Krasnoje-Selo
WNr 9206, PK+ZJ, Bf 109F-2, 6./JG 52, 26.11.41 Verlust 100%, Schlechtwetter bei Solnetschnogorsk

With 9206 of 26.11.41 actually being 9209 and 9209 of 22.02.42 actually being 9692 the puzzle pieces would fit neatly together...

Regards

Roland

[mmoustaf]

Rigt. The puzzle is fit now.

As you see from the test report and attached photos from the same report 9209 belongs to 6./JG52

Now it is proved. 9209 (yellow 4) is a JG52 plane.

Also look at the wheel wells.
9209 has rounded wheel wells that match WNF maches after 6714

The picture of 8./JG51 plane captured in NII VVS has squared wheel wells
The explanation is easy.
I have another NII VVS report about JG51 plane and the number is 96xx (I can't remember now but I will send you scan on Friday - it is in my cottatge near the place where 9209 made a landing)

If you like I can scan more NII VVS info on 109s

[the_ivan]

Originally Posted by mmoustaf

If you like I can scan more NII VVS info on 109s

Thanks, that would be very interesting!

[Frans A]

To make it more complicated: In the losslist for JG54 is stated:
Oblt. H.Mütherich, MIA, 41-09-09 Wrk.Nr. 9602 RL+IB SW10+
Frans A

[Jim P.]

Can anyone offer any better information to one or the other of the 2 JGr.Ost losses for WNr. 9210?

Bf 109F-2, 9210, n.n., , II., 6., JG 51, , , PK+ZN, , 26-Jun-42, Bruchlandung due to fuel shortage., , Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.2, p.309, , Orel-Nord, 10%, F, , ,
Bf 109F-2, 9210, n.n., , II., 6., JG 51, , , PK+ZN, , 06-Jul-42, Luftkampf., , Lw.Kdo.Ost/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, IX.2, p.309, , bei Shisdra, 40%, F, , ,
Bf 109F-2, 9210, Kraus, Uffz. Walter, , , , JGr.Ost, , , , , 22-Jan-43, Killed in crash due to pilot error., , Lfl.3/Deutschland, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13, , Mannheim, 100%, H, , ,
Bf 109F-2, 9210, Neunzig, Ogefr. Hans, , , , JGr.Ost, , , , , 18-Jun-43, Injured in Notlandung due to engine trouble., , Lfl.3/FR, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #10)-Vol.18, , Laurent de la Salle, 90%, H, , ,

And for WNr. 9602 I have the following:

Bf 109F-2, 9206, MÜTHERICH, Oblt. Hubert, 43, II., 5., JG 54, schwarzes, 10 +, PK+ZJ, 37 weiß abschußbalken, 09-Sep-41, Stkp. Killed due to hitting a tree during Notlandung after Luftkampf with I-18s., RK. WNr. 9602 per loss., Lfl.1/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol.6; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VI.2, p.243; Obermaier p.171; Barbas Vol.II s6,33; Ries Rudder p.88 photos; Ries, Dora, Kurfürst & Rot 13 Vol.1 p.99 photo, , nordwestlich Krasnoje-Selo, 100%, F, , ,

Bf 109F-2, 9602, Kanzler, Ltn. Friedrich, , II., 5., JG 3, , , RL+IB, , 02-Jul-41, Killed in crash during take-off., WNr. 6902 per loss., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.5; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VI.1, p.118; Prien/Stemmer, II./JG 3, p.400, , Luzk-Süd, 100%, F, , ,

[Matti Salonen]

I have:
1943-01-22, 1./JGr. Ost, Bf 109F-2, 9219, Fl.Pl. Mannheim-Sandhofen, Absturz um 16.15 Uhr infolge Bedienungsfehler und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Uffz Krause, Walter, +

For Mütherich I also have 9206, not 9602.

Matti