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Old 26th August 2013, 00:01
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Re: Was there ever any "official" Soviet history written covering Air Force operations during the brief Polish Campaign of Sept., 1939?

Larry,


Regarding Polish troops on the ground, after the ammunition was gone, where were they going to get more? The British and the French mounted no military actions to aid Poland. The average Polish soldier was immediately outgunned, with many leaving the country and reforming under the command of General Anders as described in his book, An Army in Exile. The Poles would end up joining forces with the British primarily. My father was in the Polish Army and like all World War II veterans I knew, rarely spoke about the war. He did what he could but after being separated from his unit, out of food and ammunition, he was captured by German troops. Since his country no longer existed, he was sent to a Forced Labor camp in Germany. He referred to the SS as "crazy" and when word reached him they were in his area, he hid in a cave until they passed.

The German attack was expected, the Russian attack was a surprise.



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Old 26th August 2013, 00:57
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Re: Was there ever any "official" Soviet history written covering Air Force operations during the brief Polish Campaign of Sept., 1939?

And if you're looking for a good source of Russian language books about their role in the Great Patriotic War, I recommend:


https://www.collectrussia.com/showcat.htm?cat=EASTBOOK


It may take a bit of digging.

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Old 28th August 2013, 23:06
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Re: Was there ever any "official" Soviet history written covering Air Force operations during the brief Polish Campaign of Sept., 1939?

Dénes & Ed,

Thanx for your comments. There is frustratingly little information on the Russian side of the Polish Campaign air war, even to this day, more than 70 years later. Other than the few accounts that we already now have due to the work done by Mirek, it appears unlikely that we will be able to find out much additional information on this subject.

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Old 29th August 2013, 13:28
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Re: Was there ever any "official" Soviet history written covering Air Force operations during the brief Polish Campaign of Sept., 1939?

I do not understand your frustration. After all, it is a great challenge and an opportunity. Almost no one wants to write this subject. So, as soon as possible to work :-)

Probably, about two years ago I talked with Mark Sołoninem (Russian came to Warsaw for the promotion of his book published in Poland). He is the author of several interesting books on Soviet aviation in 1941 (most are renowned "22 June 1941" and "The sleeping peacefully airports / "Na mirno spiaszczych aerodromach.")
Immediately I asked him this question, but why not move the Soviet aviation theme of the Polish. Brief - no to write home about, no sensationalism, drama. Theme is practically not marketable. And now, that is just a regular boring. No fire & smoke, :-)

In Russia (Moscow) does not have a practice flight magazine, which came out in the 90s There appeared a number of interesting material written by various fans (Mir Awiacji, Istori Awiacji, Awiacja, ect). Practically magazines do not come for several years. Sometimes the articles contained therein have a very high level. Left magazine "Awiacja i Kosmonawtika", but that's not it. A great pity.



Additional articles that I have written and published them in Poland after 2008. They give a lot of additional information or corrections with respect to what is provided in the book. In particular, Article 1 and 3 You can always find new interesting information.

1) Siergiej Gricewiec, 14 b&w photos, 1 colour of I-16 typ 10, [in:] Lotnictwo nr 9/2012, pp. 76-83. http://www.magnum-x.pl/czasopismasec/lw/2242catid=1

2) Lotnictwo sowieckie nad Kresami w 1939 r. (Soviet Aviation over Borderlands in 1939), 21 b&w photos [in:] Lotnictwo nr 10/2011, pp. 68-77. http://magnum-x.pl/index.php?option=...id=1&Itemid=11

3) Ostatnie biało-czerwone szachownice (Recent white and red chessboards), 16 b&w photos [w:] Aero Magazyn Lotniczy nr 1 styczeń-marzec (20)/2009, pp. 4-13, http://www.kagero.eu/aero/51-aero-20...ne-szachownice


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Re: Was there ever any "official" Soviet history written covering Air Force operations during the brief Polish Campaign of Sept., 1939?

http://rkka.ru/handbook/ozuzb/9-4.htm

Soviet aircraft regiments for invasion of Poland 17.9.39-28.9.39
Glossary below russian text.

Авиационные полки
Наименование Периоды вхождения в состав Действующей армии
2 легко-бомбардировочный авиационный полк
2 истребительный авиационный полк
3 тяжелый бомбардировочный авиационный полк
3 штурмовой авиационный полк
4 истребительный авиационный полк
5 скоростной бомбардировочный авиационный полк
5 легко-бомбардировочный авиационный полк
5 штурмовой авиационный авиационный полк
6 легко-бомбардировочный авиационный полк
7 штурмовой авиационный полк
10 истребительный авиационный полк
11 легко-бомбардировочный авиационный полк
12 истребительный авиационный полк
13 скоростной бомбардировочный авиационный полк
14 штурмовой авиационный полк
15 истребительный авиационный полк
17 истребительный авиационный полк
18 скоростной бомбардировочный авиационный полк
19 истребительный авиационный полк
20 истребительный авиационный полк
21 истребительный авиационный полк
23 истребительный авиационный полк
25 истребительный авиационный полк
28 истребительный авиационный полк
31 истребительный авиационный полк
31 скоростной бомбардировочный авиационный полк
33 скоростной бомбардировочный авиационный полк
33 истребительный авиационный полк
35 истребительный авиационный полк
39 скоростной бомбардировочный авиационный полк
40 скоростной бомбардировочный авиационный полк
41 истребительный авиационный полк
43 истребительный авиационный полк
44 легко-бомбардировочный авиационный полк
44 скоростной бомбардировочный авиационный полк
46 истребительный авиационный полк
48 скоростной бомбардировочный авиационный полк
52 ближне-бомбардировочный авиационный полк 1 бомб.авиабригады
52 скоростной бомбардировочный авиационный полк 10 скор.бомб.авиабригады
54 скоростной бомбардировочный авиационный полк
58 скоростной бомбардировочный авиационный полк



2 Light Bomber Aviation Regiment
2 Fighter Aviation Regiment
3 Heavy Bomber Aviation Regiment
3 Assault Aviation Regiment
4 Fighter Aviation Regiment
5 High-speed Bomber Aviation Regiment
5 Light Bomber Aviation Regiment
5 Assault Aviation Regiment
6 Light Bomber Aviation Regiment
7 Assault Aviation Regiment
10 Fighter Regiment
11 Light Bomber Aviation Regiment
12 Fighter Regiment
13 High-Speed Bomber Regiment
14 Assault Aviation Regiment
15 Fighter Regiment
17 Fighter Regiment
18 High-Speed Bomber Regiment
19 Fighter Regiment
20 Fighter Regiment
21 Fighter Regiment
23 Fighter Regiment
25 Fighter Regiment
28 Fighter Regiment
31 Fighter Regiment
31 High-Speed Bomber Regiment
33 High-Speed Bomber Regiment
33 Fighter Regiment
35 Fighter Regiment
39 High-Speed Bomber Regiment
40 High-Speed Bomber Regiment
41 Fighter Regiment
43 Fighter Regiment
44 Light Bomber Aviation Regiment
44 High-Speed Bomber Regiment
46 Fighter Regiment
48 High-Speed Bomber Regiment
52 Short-range Bomber Aviation Regiment; 1 bomber aviation brigade
52 High-Speed Bomber Regiment; 10 fast bomber aviation brigade
54 High-Speed Bomber Regiment
58 High-Speed Bomber Regiment
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