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[ouidjat]

Hi Robert,

Thanks for the orthographic correction but I will stay with Prien's one which is Prasznicze, mine was seller one.
I Wonder if Rote 6 was involved in this take-off accident since they were from 4./ZG 1; Rote 6 being in 5./ZG 1.
Prien is not that clear about this last one and I realise I did follow the seller's own caption.
Hence, maybe Rote 6 wasn't accidented in Przasnysz() at all ...

Again. Prien is talking about a Bf 109 E ... It seems to me that we can see a gun fairing on "top" of the wing, then an E-3. (?)

Regards, Franck.

[steve sheridan]

Hello Franck, my apologies if i missed your New Year greeting but i haven't had access to my PC for some time. Im afraid ive been a victim of stupid internet geeks and my computer is now cursed! with a virus. However, a belated Happy New Year to you.

Thanks for the information on ZG1, is this then an a/c of 4/ZG1 and not red 6+- ?

Robert, thanks for the reply on the four losses destroyed. Do you have an exact date during Sept 1939, and any other identities or pilots involved.

Kindest regs,
Steve.

[robert]

Hi Steve,

the answer is very simply: a Bf109E from 4./ZG1 swung off on takeoff and rammed 3 parked Bf109s of 5./ZG1.

Regards

Robert

[ouidjat]

@Steve
No problemo!
Yes an aircraft from 5./ZG 1 AND "Red 6".

@Robert
My only source is Prien ANd Larry if I remember well since we already talked about this plane/accident.
Prien did effectively mention the four 4./ZG 1 machines in his loss list for the period, while, concerning 'Rote 6' he is talking about a non specified accident but no relation with the other four.

So, what is your source??

Regards, Franck.

[steve sheridan]

Good morning Robert and Franck, thanks for your replies.
Everything appears clearer now.
Does Herr Prien not record the date in his JGFVB VOL 1. purple series.
Best regs,
Steve.

[ouidjat]

No Steve,
Only 00.09.1939.
More :
One machine : 4./ZG 1 – Start ausgebrochen, Prasnicze, b
Three other machines: II./ZG 1 von ausgebrochener Bf 109 E der 4./ZG 1 gerammt, Prasnicze,b
Well… Thanks Steve for the request. Like that it’s clearer since one 4./ZG 1 machine did provoque an accident colliding with three II./ZG 1 machines. Not four 4./ZG 1.

Concerning Rote 6 from 5./ZG 1:
Photo caption:
Überschlag der “roten 6”, einer Bf 109 E der 5./ZG 1, aufgenommen während des einsatzes gegen Polen im September 1939; ds ausgefahrenen Fahrwerk zeigt an, dass dieser überschlag bei Sart oder Landung erfolgte, nähere Einzelheiten zu Zeit und Ort dieses Unfalls sind jedoch nicht bakannt.

As I told you before it’s not even certain this accident is linked with the other … Just seller information.

more photos ...

One, obviously a Bf 109 E-1 but no number visible ... I kept 5. Staffel but ??
The second, obviously a Bf 109 E-3, Rote 1, from 5. Staffel ... Not 4./ Staffel!

Cheers, Franck.

[ouidjat]

Back ...

And another one.
Same comment than previous. I kept 5. Staffel following Seller information but can be 4.

Franck.

[steve sheridan]

Hi Franck, thanks for your update on this incident and New Years present of photos from the event! Very nice.

I agree with you on photo No1, Bf109E-1 no code visible, only clue perhaps indicating 5/ZG1, red tip to spinner, but i guess this could also signify red for II/ZG1?

Photo No2, yes definately BF109E-3 red 1+ , didnt this unit paint their a/c numerals in red and white outlines to black numerals, im sure i remember this practise!

Kindest regs,
Steve.