Huge Luftwaffe Victories over USAAF?

[shooshoobaby]

Bill - I should be a little more diligent when I look these up. Ex. 3 - 29 -44 I see there were 3 lost to accidents and 2 to AA.
On 6 - 10 - 44 the 78th lost 9 to enemy Fighters
6 -12 - 44 353d lost 9 '' '' ''
3 - 4 - 44 363d lost 11 '' ''' '''
The reference I use the most is the 4 volume set by Paul Andrews
1) Heavy Bombers of the Mighty Eighth - by name / serial #
2) Mighty Eighth Roll of Honor- 45, 000 names , macr , group etc. for Bomb crews and Fighter Pilots KIA, WIA, MIA , POW , evadees
3)8th AF Combat Chronology - day by day losses of Bomb and Fighter Groups. Names , location , macr includes accidents.
4) 8th AF Bomb Group Chronology - day by day Bomb Group losses. Lists bombers lost by Group. A/ C # , crew list , macr.
This study was commissioned by 8th Air Force Memorial Museum Foundation as " Project Bits and Pieces "
I also have Miller's 2 volume set and about a 300 book library.
Mike

[drgondog]

Mike - I don't have that set. What were primary sources on losses?

I bounce back and forth from Group histories on microfilm to MACR databases on armyairforces.com to Mighty 8th Diary to different group histories.

Like you I have about a 300 book reference library on WWII and about 30 for Korea/VietNam plus 40 reels of microfilm from Maxwell. At one time Jeff Ethell and I were gonna collaborate on 8th Fighter Command, pool our respective notes on the 4th and 355th then work together on the rest. I got pretty deep on the losses, but there was no website for MACR's - we were going to have to work the cards and fische.

How can I get a copy of the Andrews set?

BTW, we still have a gap between Andrews and the other sources.

on the 10th I have MACR's for 7 Macr's on the 78th. The microfilm for 78th FG (not the 82/83/84FS have a total of 10 lost, 7 to fighters/2 to flak and one to a mid air over England. I've loaned out my Price book on the 78th so can't use taht today for another peek.

I have to dig up my 353 stuff but Miller has 8 air losses and the Macr database has 7 macrs for the 353rd on the 6-12 bad day (but also claimed 16 on two separate missions that day).. it looks like this mission will rank right up there on the worst single Squadron loss with 6 for the 350th.

As for the 4 March fiasco there was a lot of bad weather involved.. I think Heinz Knocke related four confirmed on the 363rd before they 'escaped' into cloud cover but surely there were other units in the area.

It does make for interesting conversations.. I know Miller used USAF and 8th AF Historical Research records along with Damick - which is why I am curious to see if Andrews cut thes facts in different ways?

[shooshoobaby]

Bill - go to http://www.447bg.com/data/bp.pdf
As you will see they are not cheap but is a monumental work and a great research tool. I have seen them on E - bay and abebooks.com Primary sources on losses are MACRS
mike

[George Hopp]

Sorry, Shooshoobaby, but your internet link doesn't work for me. Are there any alternate links, as the Paul Andrews books sound very interesting.

[Frank Olynyk]

George,
Strip off the end of the address, to get http://www.447bg.com then click on Books.

Frank.

[shooshoobaby]

Bill and George , Frank is correct . I added too much on the web address.

[drgondog]

Mike - mine worked fine and I got in easily using your link.. I'm still pondering the value for $300 on the set but probably will do it.

Still, it bother me a little bit that no details on White/Reed/Cummins/Beaty and Lake (my earlier appeal) ar contained in the Combat Chronology that you have. My primary purpose would be to wrap up last of 355th/2SF details for revised ABD.