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Old 13th February 2014, 16:44
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Re: German overclaims in the East. Hartmann and others...

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Some additional info to the prev. Mitchell NJG claims from soviet long-range mission plans/reports (TsAMO archives, Russia):

August 9/10, 1944: Samarica (Croatia) partisan supply-drop mission without landing.
Soviet long-range 14 GvAP DD assigned 7 Mitchells for the mission. Take-off time: 21:30 - 21:35 PM at Kalinovka. Drop zone: Samarica (Croatia):

B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....507, red '4' (S/N: 43-3507, lost at Akasztó, Hungary AFTER supply-drop. Last radio signal received from plane at 01:40 AM saying: crossed line "2" - (Code of the Danube river en route home. R-2600-13 engines: 43-21824 and 43-23496. Pilots: Pchelov in left, Eremeev in right seat.)
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....362, red '5'
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....474, red '12' (S/N: 42-32474, lost at Nagymányok, Hungary BEFORE drop. R-2600-13 engines: 43-21653 and 43-21678. Maintenance note: the 5th cylinder of engine no.43-21653 was replaced on July 28, 1944. Plane itself was received by 4 GvAD between May 20-25, 1943. Pilots: Kolyashkin in left, Karakozov in right seat.)

B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....394, red '14'
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....588, red '25'
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....389, red '22' - ABORTED MISSION!
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....369, red '7'

No.'22' was aborted, six planes flew the mission. Red '4' and '12' was shot down by Fw. Eckart Ulmer, the rest: red '5, 7, 14, 25' returned OK between 04:00-10 AM.

August 10/11, 1944: partisan supply-drop mission without landing near Gagintsi.
Soviet long-range 22 GvAP DD assigned 11 (8+3) Mitchells for the 2 missions. One was lost, the rest returned OK:

B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....247, red '36'
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....587, red '37'
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....123, red '39'
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ...569?, red '34'
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....612, red '45' (S/N: 41-30612, lost at Martonos, Hungary. R-2600-13 engines: 42-76955 and 42-76809.)
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....???, red '46'
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....???, red '59'
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....375, red '58'
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....???, red '56'
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....333, red '60'
B-25 Mitchell, No.: ....782, red '*' (Reg. Commander's Red Star marking on tail, - No number sign)

Red '45' was shot down by Ofw. Josef Federle, the rest returned OK. Another, 337 AP DD plane from their 8+3 Mitchells flying this mission received 75 hits in a dogfight near Szolnok, but returned. Note: on August 10/11, 1944 22 GvAP DD and 337 AP DD flew 2-2 different missions to different target zones: 22 GvAP DD: Gagintsi 8 planes (red '36, 39, 45, 46, 59, 58, 56, 60'), Bu Ban'(?) 3 planes (red '*, 71, 83'). 337 AP DD: Bu Ban'(?) 8 planes (red '61, 63, 73, 74, 82, 85, 84, 87'), Lizard(?) 3 planes. 14 GvAP DD flew only to Samarica again, this time with 4 B-25s (red '5, 7, 14 and 22') only.

Gabor

Sources: TsAMO archives, Russia and Royal Hungarian Police - enemy AC crash investigation records. Some confusion in papers with markings!

Last edited by HGabor; 13th February 2014 at 17:53.
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