Ofw. Kurt Welter 5./JG302 Jan-Mar 1944

[Johannes]

Other night-fighter pilots knew during the war he was making large numbers of false claims, in fact his name post-war was taboo.

E.mail me your personal e.mail address on the private TOCH system and I'll send you what I have on the guy. Trouble is that witnesses were hard to find at night when you alone in your aircraft. All those he made in January 1944 and others were u/c.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Rob Romero]

Johannes, could you elaborate on that?

[Johannes]

Hi Rob

These are the claims I have:-

At 5./JG 301

22nd September 1943 Lancaster Hanover area 2304 hrs 5000 metres Nr.1
22nd September 1943 B-24 Hanover area 2312 hrs 4000 metres Nr.2
3rd October 1943 Halifax SW Kassel 2229 hrs 4000 metres Nr.3
3rd October 1943 Halifax ENE Kassel 2241 hrs 4000 metres v.n.e-a.s.m Nr.4
22nd October 1943 "viermot" 4km NW Kassel 2104 hrs 4500 metres A.S.M Nr.5
22nd October 1943 "viermot" 18km N Kassel 2114 hrs 4500 metres A.S.M Nr.6
22nd October 1943 "viermot" 28th N Kassel 2124 hrs 4500 metres A.S.M Nr.7
2nd January 1944 "viermot" Berlin area 0255 hrs u/c
5th January 1944 "viermot" W Stettin 0346 hrs u/c
11th January 1944 "viermot" W Stettin 0411 hrs u/c
28th January 1944 "viermot" Berlin area u/c
20th February 1944 Lancaster Berlin area 0327 hrs 6500 metres Nr.8
20th February 1944 Lancaster Leipzig area 0416 hrs 6500 metres Nr.9
18th March 1944 Lancaster u/c
18th March 1944 Lancaster u/c
24th March 1944 Lancaster SW Berlin 2244 hrs 5000 metres A.S.M Nr.10
24th March 1944 Lancaster Berlin area u/c
18th July 1944 P-51 Füssen area 1047 hrs 7000 metres A.s.M Nr.11
18th July 1944 P-51 Schongau area 1055 hrs 4500 metres Nr.12
19th July 1944 P-51 Memmingen area 0937 hrs 7000 metres Nr.13
19th July 1944 B-17 S Konigsbrunn 0943 hrs 6000 metres Nr.14
20th July 1944 B-17 Reichenbach area 1115 hrs 5500 metres Nr.15

The micro film for January 1944 appears to be only the v.n.e-a.s.m listings, however for each Staffel a micro film exists showing only date and time, but nothing matches up for welter.

with 10./JG 300

26th August 1944 Mosquito Nienburg area 0038 hrs 9500 metere Nr.16
30th August 1944 Lancaster 0205 hrs 4800 metres Nr.17
30th August 1944 Lancaster 0201 hrs 4800 metres Nr.18
30th August 1944 Lancaster 0212 hrs 4800 metres Nr.19
30th August 1944 Lancaster 0215 hrs 4800 metres Nr.20
11th September 1944 Mosquito 15km E Nauen 2258 hrs 8500 metre Nr.21
12th September 1944 Mosquito Hopsten/Bramsch 2310 hrs 8300 metres Nr.22
12th September 1944 Mosquito Tangerhutte area 2325 hrs 8000 metres A.S.M Nr.23
13th September 1944 P-51 Salzwebel area 1740 hrs 5000 metres v.n.e-a.s.m Nr.24
16th September 1944 Mosquito Berlin area 0203 hrs 8000 metres v.n.e-a.s.m Nr.25
16th September 1944 Mosquito Gardelegen area 0230 hrs 3500 metres Nr.26
18th September 1944 Mosquito N Wittenberg 2305 hrs 8000 metres Nr.27
6th October 1944 Mosquito Berlin area 2030 hrs 8000 hrs Nr.28
28th October 1944 Mosquito N Berlin 0120 hrs 8000 hrs Nr.29

with 10./NJG 11(not on the micro films, so therefore open to question)

11th/12th December 1944 Mosquito Nr.30
2nd/3rd January 1945 Mosquito Nr.31
5th/6th January 1945 Mosquito Nr.32
10th/11th January 1945 Mosquito Nr.33
16th/17th January 1945 Lancaster Nr.34
16th/17th January 1945 Lancaster Nr.35
21st/22nd February 1945 Mosquito Nr.36
21st/22nd February 1945 Mosquito Nr.37
22nd February 1945 Mosquito Nr.38
22nd February 1945 Mosquito Nr.39
2nd/3rd March 1945 Mosquito Nr.40
2nd/3rd March 1945 Mosquito Nr.41
2nd/3rd March 1945 Mosquito Nr.42
6th/7th March 1945 Mosquito Nr.43
6th/7th March 1945 Mosquito Nr.44
17th/18th March 1945 Mosquito Nr.45
17th/18th March 1945 Mosquito Nr.46
21st March 1945 Mosquito 2138 hrs Nr.47
21st March 1945 Mosquito 2204 hrs Nr.48
24th/25th March 1945 Mosquito Nr.49
27th/28th March 1945 Mosquito Nr.50
30th/31st March 1945 Mosquito Nr.51
30th/31st March 1945 Mosquito Nr.52
3rd/4th April 1945 Mosquito Nr.53
10th/11th April 1945 Mosquito Nr.54
11th/12th April 1945 Mosquito Nr.55
13th/13th April 1945 Mosquito Nr.56
14th/15th April 1945 Mosquito Nr.57
15th/16th April 1945 Mosquito Nr.58
17th/18th April 1945 Mosquito Nr.59

Hope you guys can clear up any faults with this final batch, but as I say it is not possible to use British Mosquito losses to help because he didn;t so much over claim, as just made claims without combat at all allegedly.

I should think his large amount of v.n.e-a.s.m claims was because of lack of witnesses. Assume also he flew the Me262 nightfighter with 10./NJG 11, also assume he sat in it alone.

Anybody wanting to prove his over claiming should have an easy time with the Mosquitos.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Erich]

Johannes: for 5./JG 301 remember the unit switched places by January 44 to 5./JG 302...

[GMichalski]

Hi,

interesting post!!
Johannes you forget?:

6/7.4.45 10./NJG 11 Oblt Mosquito Berlin area _____ _____ W N 53


or find new info to change the first file you send me....

about the claims seems good in Jg301 & JG300 but in JG11....

Karl-Heinz Becker seems more reliable

regards