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Old 3rd February 2006, 22:44
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Re: Friendly fire WWII

Hi Laurent

Thanks for the advice. Please let me have your address to enable me to send the book (recent events have thrown my intentions askew!). Private mail if you so wish.

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Old 9th February 2006, 18:17
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Re: Friendly fire WWII

A new case:

7 October 1944

Allied aircraft strafed in error Montepetra, Italy, killing 10 civilians and 7 English soldiers.
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Old 10th February 2006, 14:53
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Re: Friendly fire WWII

Many thanks Laurent, I am now doing a quick Italian language course so that I can read it!! Excuse sarcasm!

One of my previous enquiries concerned a P-38 shot down in error by airfield defences at A.2 ALG near Grand-Camp-les-Bains on the Normandy coast on 25 June 1944. This is recorded in Richard Turner's BIG FRIEND, LITTLE FRIEND. I haven't made much progress re the identity of the pilot or unit, but believe it would have been one of teh following. Does anyone have the relevant MACRs that could establish idenitity?

P-38s all from 370thFG are recorded as lost on this date:
42-104016 (MACR 6181)
42-67282 (MACR 6182)
42-67930 (MACR 6183)
42-67886 (MACR 6184)
42-4196 (MACR 6229)
42-68023 (MACR 6268)
42-67927 (MACR 6270)
Also, 367thFG lost 43-28702 (MACR 6350)
And, 82ndFG lost 43-28774 (MACR6429

If no one has the info I am looking for, perhaps by process of elimination, I will narrow down the enquiry.

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Old 10th February 2006, 18:48
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Re: Friendly fire WWII

If the P-38 was shot down above Allied territory, there will probably be no MACR.

The Italian link doesn't provide any more data than what I have translated. Sarcasm accepted.
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Old 16th February 2006, 10:21
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Re: Friendly fire WWII

Hi guys

Spotted on a website: On returning from a night raid on Harwich (Essex) on 20/21 November 1940, a BR20 of the 13 Stormo was allegedly shot down by a night fighter at 0045 on the morning of 21st, and crashed into the North Sea with the loss of all the crew. Presumably the crew had advised control they were under attack before their demise. I have no record of a corresponding RAF night fighter claim. Could the night fighter have been German? However, a scan of my records fails to reveal such a claim, but of course once the error had been realised any such claim would have been disallowed. Can anyone throw any light on this?

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Old 16th February 2006, 23:05
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Re: Friendly fire WWII

More for you to ponder. Any further details available?

3 March 43: DB-7B AL496 343BS USAAF shot down by friendly fire Chelveston (pilot Henry K. MacDonald).

9 March 43: P-47 41-6263 63FS/56FG unauthorised flight by member of ground crew - crashed - identity? fate?

9 June 43: B-17 42-29884 352BS/92BG shot down by friendly fire Alconbury (pilot Lopez J. Mantoux)

7 November 43: B-26 41-31951 454BS/323BG shot down by friendly fire near Earls Colne (pilot Joe J. Patton)

7 June 44: B-26B 42-96110 599BS/397BG shot down by friendly fire and crash-landed Rye (pilot Edward W. Kretschmer)

16 August 44: B-24H 41-28981 457BG shot down by friendly fire over North Sea (pilot Charles W. Grace)
B-24H 42-50580 788BS/467BG shot down by friendly fire over North Sea (pilot William V. DeWitte)

27 December 44: P-61A 42-5584 425NFS shot down by friendly fire nr Jarny, France (Carl H. Byars)

Over to you guys

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Old 17th February 2006, 20:35
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Re: Friendly fire WWII

Brian-
B17 # 42 - 29884 June 28 ,43 to Air Force Service Command
Re- gained July 8,43
Shot down Aug. 12,43 Pilot Hans Johnson 10 POW
Macr #374 92d BG

B - 24 # 128981 ditched North Sea March 4,45 Mid air collision
Pilot - Lt George Mills No MACR 467th BG

B - 24 # 42 - 50580 damaged Aug.16,44. Salvaged Sept. 21,44 467th BG
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