Bf.109E-3 (wnr. 1512); Bf. 109E- (?) (wnr.2312)

[bill norman]

Thank you, Christian.
Bill

[Andreas Brekken]

Hello.

I also have the following loss record for 1512:

http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=148895

So it seems it was converted to E-7 standard and used in Africa after the incident while in JG 1:

http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=128239

Regards,
Andreas B

[bill norman]

Thank you, Andreas.
Bill

[bill norman]

Anreas,
Do you know when 1512 arrived in N.Africa and how long it was there?

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

No, I do not - the only thing I know is that it is not on the list of aircraft that were initially set up for trop conversion for the campaign in North Africa.

I am currently working on this list for publication - just a few details to add.

I do not know if it is of interest to anyone - but this list is in effect a roster of all the Bf 109 assigned to I./JG 27 at the time of departure for North Africa.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Mr Schmitt]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hello.

I also have the following loss record for 1512:

http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=148895

So it seems it was converted to E-7 standard and used in Africa after the incident while in JG 1:

http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=128239

Regards,
Andreas B

Hi Andreas,

Great information with regards to wnr.1512 But if you read the last posts by Roland F and Christian, there seems to be some confusion between 1JG1 Bergen Op Zoom NL and JG54 Bergen Norway during 1940/41
Would you have any actual confirmation of the location via a copy of Luftwaffe actual documents?

There is a statement that Prien's book is referenced in this, but not sure where does Prien get his information? It would be interesting to know.

It would be good to clear this confusion. Many Thanks

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

The location in my loss record is written exactly as it is in the original loss record. During WWII there was no airfield called 'Bergen' in Norway.

If the location had been for example 'Bei Bergen' it would be another discussion.

We have Bergen-op-Zoom and we have Bergen in Germany (Saxony) - I do not know if there was an airfield at the latter location.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Mr Schmitt]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi.

The location in my loss record is written exactly as it is in the original loss record. During WWII there was no airfield called 'Bergen' in Norway.

If the location had been for example 'Bei Bergen' it would be another discussion.

We have Bergen-op-Zoom and we have Bergen in Germany (Saxony) - I do not know if there was an airfield at the latter location.

Regards,
Andreas B

Hi Andreas,

I hope you do not mind me asking, but is it possible to see a copy of this page from this document (Original Luftwaffe Loss Record)? It would relieve all doubt.

I only ask that because sometimes people offer information that is from books written after the WWII and this information is not always 100% correct. As in some misinterpretation what has been said in this example from other posts.

I don't want to offend anybody by saying the above, but just like to see the actual information source. This way all doubt is taken away.

Many Thanks and Kind Regards

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

Please see the attached scan from the original loss record. Note also that the loss is filed under the Luftflotte 3 header - thus it is not likely that it occured under Luftflotte 5 jurisdiction (Norway/Northern Finnland).

Regards,
Andreas B

[Mr Schmitt]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi.

Please see the attached scan from the original loss record. Note also that the loss is filed under the Luftflotte 3 header - thus it is not likely that it occured under Luftflotte 5 jurisdiction (Norway/Northern Finnland).

Regards,
Andreas B

Hi Andreas,
That is good to see. That puts to away any doubt - Well done.

Thanks Mr Schmitt