Bf 109 in Polish Campaign 1939

[Mirek Wawrzynski]

Gentlemen,
the main problem is that no publisher in Germany or England is interested on the topic Poland 1939. Sure, I could make an updated version of all "Luftwaffe nad Polska 1939" parts in German language, but it would mean for me a completely wasted time - doing for nothing.

Best regards,
Marius

BTW: but what about for: Big Glory, for Vaterland, for Fun, for History,
for immortality.

There are other great Big Values then money or money or moeny or money?
Such matters as ordinary bread, butter, sausage and coffee are financed from other revenue giving measurable earnings.

regards,
mw

PS
I think, that just now meny editors strong think the autor is an stupid idiot working for nothing?

+ And one man can find all in Google.

[Marius]

Originally Posted by Mirek Wawrzynski

BTW: but what about for: Big Glory, for Vaterland, for Fun, for History,
for immortality.

There are other great Big Values then money or money or moeny or money?

No one publisher brings out a book just for fun or whatever.
Doing for nothing means - a lot of work, money and time by the autor and in the effect there is no one who will publish something about... Polish Campaign. This topic does not earn the publisher enough money - so think all the publishers I spoke with. It is sad but true.

P.S.
Mr. Wawrzynski, the most autors I know do not write air war books for... money. I doubt if this is possible at all.

[Marius]

Originally Posted by GuerraCivil

The main problem with Emmerling´s book is that I do not understand Polish. Must be in English or in German.

Gentlemen,
the main problem is that no publisher in Germany or England is interested on the topic Poland 1939. Sure, I could make an updated version of all "Luftwaffe nad Polska 1939" parts in German language, but it would mean for me a completely wasted time - doing for nothing.

Best regards,
Marius

[Clint Mitchell]

Eagles over Europe?

[GuerraCivil]

Going back to the problem of language regarding Polish-German airwar 1939 books. Thinking the whole picture "Lufwaffe nad Polska" (with all controversiality aroused) is probably the Book of most recent study. But currently there is not enough market for German/English publication. Jerzy Cynk has couple of books published (The Polish Air Force at war), but again there has been some controversy on methodology.

When I think Murawski´s book Bf 109 C/D in Polish Campaign, I must say that it is a little wonder that such book exists. Taking in account the rarity of early Bf 109 models and their use in a campaign that lasted roughly two weeks. It was interesting read, but I was not completely satisfied with its content. I think too much "propaganda prose" was included - this is a problem also with some Condor Legion books, which use as their source a 1939 published Das Buch der Spanienflieger and repeat its content without any criticism. Those "first-hand accounts" should not be taken as 100 % authentic descriptions of air combats. It is noteworthy that Werner Mölders did not want to participate in the project of Das Buch der Spanienflieger. He considered it to be dubious propaganda, in which he did not want to be a part.

The "propaganda prose" has its place as a testimony/document of its own time, but reader should be advised to read it critically. What I missed in Murawski´s book was an analysis and some overall view of German-Polish airwar. As is it was, the book is mostly filled with "propaganda prose" of German pilots. However Murawski and his publisher deserve credit for risking to publish a book about a rare subject.

By the way, are there some good web articles about this subject (Bf 109 in German-Polish airwar or the German-Polish airwar 1939 in general) - something better than wiki?

[Marius]

Originally Posted by GuerraCivil

Going back to the problem of language regarding Polish-German airwar 1939 books. Thinking the whole picture "Lufwaffe nad Polska" (with all controversiality aroused) is probably the Book of most recent study. But currently there is not enough market for German/English publication. Jerzy Cynk has couple of books published (The Polish Air Force at war), but again there has been some controversy on methodology.

Part 1 of “Luftwaffe nad Polska” in 2002 was partially a relatively fast “reaction” to Jerzy B. Cynk`s patriotic book published in 2000 via AJ-Press. So “Jagdflieger” is not done “perfectly” and therefore I wrote about an updated version I could make in German (German/English?) language. But there is nobody in the WEST who will publish books about this topic. Nevertheless the series “Luftwaffe nad Polska” is very important, because Cynk`s basic work was 20-30 years old at that time (2000) and the author did not use any detailed German documents (apart from GQM-losses list, which is not qualified for).

Originally Posted by GuerraCivil

When I think Murawski´s book Bf 109 C/D in Polish Campaign, I must say that it is a little wonder that such book exists.

Murawski used for his book as basic “Luftwaffe nad Polska”, so nothing new.

Originally Posted by GuerraCivil

By the way, are there some good web articles about this subject (Bf 109 in German-Polish airwar or the German-Polish airwar 1939 in general) - something better than wiki?

You should read JET & PROP, where I published several articles about Poland 1939.

Regards,

[Mirek Wawrzynski]

I have forgotten to add, that Larry is doing a monumantal work about this total not marketing value topic for years with support of his Polish friends.

Part 1 of “Luftwaffe nad Polska” in 2002 was partially a relatively fast “reaction” to Jerzy B. Cynk`s patriotic book published in 2000 via AJ-Press.

Saying that Jerzy B. Cynk had made a "patriotic's book" has the same value as to say that Marisu Emmerling is post-fashist/ultra-nazist author (pogrobowiec i niedobitek nazsistowsko-faszystowskiej kliki or post ultro-faszata in Polish).

Marius Emmerling does not know what does it mean this word? He does not know a lot of Polish books, which are in fact more then more pariotics and far way of being obiective (speking dirctly - chłopie "gadasz/ pi...sz" bez sensu, sam nie wiesz co piszesz).
For example texts/books done by Tomoteusz Pawłowski (PhD. like "Armia Rydza-Śmigłego", ect.). I can add more such patriotic books edited in the last 10 years in Poland and this is strictly patriotic books, written exactly by young Polish historians. Next such a person is Edward Malak (Ph.D./dr hab., done a lot of such patriotic texts and books too) - total glory of PAF ect. This is kind of stricte patritoic authors.

I do not say the same about J.B. Cynk. Jerzy Pawlak - yes agree, he is, why not?

As a old man J.B. Cynk has own way to present the history about PAF, which is far away of being some kind of "patriotic" books, but his book was written on Polish position and from the point of view person, who had survived the war under German's occupation (the same case is Jerzy Pawlak).


Marius Emmerling does not accept this way as presnet history of PAF and as a person living just in Germany or as a German should keep your own way of presenting history, which for some poeple in Poland is out of discution too.

regards,
mw

[Marius]

Originally Posted by Mirek Wawrzynski

Saying that Jerzy B. Cynk had made a "patriotic's book" has the same value as to say that Marisu Emmerling is post-fashist/ultra-nazist author (pogrobowiec i niedobitek nazsistowsko-faszystowskiej kliki or post ultro-faszata in Polish).
...
Marius Emmerling does not accept this way as presnet history of PAF and as a person living just in Germany or as a German should keep your own way of presenting history, which for some poeple in Poland is out of discution too.

regards,
mw

Mister Wawrzynski, I call it just pure nonsense!

Regards,

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

There is a massive study of the Polish Campaign air war that will be published in English next year that covers both sides in definitive detail. We probably will have to break it down into several parts. Our Polish AF historical research for the project is now finished and currently runs over 1250 typewritten pages. The volume(s) will cover the entire action almost hour by hour from every known source. Polish and German records have been very carefully matched against each other to avoid previously published exaggerations and errors. We are well aware of the propaganda and myths created by both sides around this air campaign and we have made every effort to avoid these. It glorifies the exploits of neither side, but tries to present the story in interesting, but carefully researched and unbiased history. As one of our sources on the German side, we've done a full translation into English of the excellent books and articles in Polish by Marius Emmerling. However, besides his works, we've used as sources every known KTB, FB, contemporary publication, memoir, etc. all translated into English and carefully matched against other records of both sides to eliminate errors, misinformation or propaganda. This also includes the results of all known postwar aircraft crash archaeology. This will cover all elements of the air war, which, besides bombers, fighter and ground attack units, includes information from all known sources on recon, transports and seaplanes, which have not been previously covered in the literature in any detail.

I don't know if there will be a market for a detailed history of this kind, but it will cover the Polish Campaign air war in definitive detail, illustrated by many, many maps, hundreds of aircraft color profiles, many hundreds of photos, etc. This will be the template publication (s) for following books on the Phoney War/Sitzkrieg/Scandinavian Campaign, several volumes on the WC/FC, and three volumes planned to cover the Battle of Britain/early Blitz to the end of 1940. I may go broke doing this if nobody buys the resulting publications, but at least the Polish Campaign will be done and in-print in a language that is accessible to almost every educated person anywhere in the world.

[mars]

Originally Posted by Larry Hickey

Hello,

There is a massive study of the Polish Campaign air war that will be published in English next year that covers both sides in definitive detail. We probably will have to break it down into several parts. Our Polish AF historical research for the project is now finished and currently runs over 1250 typewritten pages. The volume(s) will cover the entire action almost hour by hour from every known source. Polish and German records have been very carefully matched against each other to avoid previously published exaggerations and errors. We are well aware of the propaganda and myths created by both sides around this air campaign and we have made every effort to avoid these. It glorifies the exploits of neither side, but tries to present the story in interesting, but carefully researched and unbiased history. As one of our sources on the German side, we've done a full translation into English of the excellent books and articles in Polish by Marius Emmerling. However, besides his works, we've used as sources every known KTB, FB, contemporary publication, memoir, etc. all translated into English and carefully matched against other records of both sides to eliminate errors, misinformation or propaganda. This also includes the results of all known postwar aircraft crash archaeology. This will cover all elements of the air war, which, besides bombers, fighter and ground attack units, includes information from all known sources on recon, transports and seaplanes, which have not been previously covered in the literature in any detail.

I don't know if there will be a market for a detailed history of this kind, but it will cover the Polish Campaign air war in definitive detail, illustrated by many, many maps, hundreds of aircraft color profiles, many hundreds of photos, etc. This will be the template publication (s) for following books on the Phoney War/Sitzkrieg/Scandinavian Campaign, several volumes on the WC/FC, and three volumes planned to cover the Battle of Britain/early Blitz to the end of 1940. I may go broke doing this if nobody buys the resulting publications, but at least the Polish Campaign will be done and in-print in a language that is accessible to almost every educated person anywhere in the world.

It is such a great news, I can not speak for others, but I will be sure buy this book, does this book has a title yet?