HORST ADAMEIT LAST FLIGHT?

[Leo Etgen]

Hi guys

One small point to add in that it is my understanding that both the Fw 190 A-5 and Fw 190 A-8 used the same BMW 801 D-2 engine producing 1,730 PS. It was only in mid-1944 that erhöhte Notleistung affording an increase of 250 PS began to be fitted. I do not want to come across as a doubting Thomas but I would like to know if the werknummer of this wreck was found to state with certainty that this was his aircraft. That an aircraft could have considerably upgraded is beyond any question as proven by this photograph of Fw 190 F-3 "Black -" (W.Nr. 670 067) at the end of the war.

http://www.modelforum.cz/download/file.php?id=980107

Horrido!

Leo

[meeterhunter]

Hi, Anyone any good with (serial) numbers?
?-3116 5-WAREN-8? ...more numbers below this set as well!
I don't know much about German serial numbers, thought I would throw it
in the mix!
Sorry, meant to say that these 'numbers' are from/attributed to Adameit's crashed aircraft 155960.

[Micke D]

Harrison, I'm still not convinced that you could make an A-8 from an A-5, the fuselage is different, the A-8 has more hatches, and the wing and landing gear was strengthened on the A-6 for the introduction of the outer MG 151s.
I guess it's more likely that Adameit would have taken a factory built A-8 instead of a bastard aircraft.
Fo you have any type of evidense for this upgrading practice?

[meeterhunter]

Might be out of my depth here, but would this obviously modified A-5 carry a R6 rocket pack?

[harrison987]

Micke,

You are thinking too much...

Upgrading is NOT a total conversion.

You can easily keep an A6 fuselage, and upgrade to A8 "standard".

I am not talking about adding hatches or making it look "physically" like an A8...I am speaking about weaponry, electronics, powerplant, etc..

The wreck that was discovered is 100% proof of this. It was a A5 with A8 upgrades...and this was NOT uncommon.

The Me109 for example went though NUMEROUS changes, when the Me109K was designed in 1942 (when the G2 was still being built). At that time, they already started implementing K-4 designs and modifications into the early G...weaponry, cannon, canopy, engine, tail.

Upgrades were done both in the field AND at major repair facilities, as per government directive.

This is why you see a mixture of later and earlier implementations on various Fw190 models...blown and standard canopies...smaller/taller tails on various models...weaponry, etc.

You are confusing terminology.

"Upgrading" is NOT a total conversion...it is taking an early aircraft and upgrading it as close as possible to the current standard. it is not re-building it in all aspects to make it a later model - only upgrading what you have to current.

This was standard practice on all aircraft.

[meeterhunter]

.....just as you can have a part for an earlier model added to a later model, as some parts don't change, but they still keep the same earlier model serial number. I know this is slightly different but you would be lucky to find an aircraft in WW2 that had all the same parts it came off the production line with.

[markjsheppard]

I tend to agree that an A-5 would become an A-8 unless its a recycled airframe. Previous A-5 was damaged and rebuilt as an A-8.

I know Fw190A-5 W.Nr1228 was damaged in 1943 and sent back for repair and became the prototype for the S-5 two seater.

Also the Fw190F-8 at the NASM started life as an A-7? (from memory). The fuselage still carried the old W.Nr. It was then recycled and became a F-8. Standard practice.

Also the Fw190A-2 W.Nr 5425 recovered from the sea off Norway had the engine cooling slats of the A-4 onwards which were an improvement.

It might be possible to add A-6/A-7 or A-8 wings to an A-5 fuselage as all carried outer cannons and the electrical connections etc would be there.

Bf109E-1's became E-3's and then E-7's but these were all factory upgrades.

Never seen a photo and generally expect an upgrade (A-5 to A-8) like this to be from the factory.

regards

MS

[meeterhunter]

Originally Posted by meeterhunter

Hi, Anyone any good with (serial) numbers?
?-3116 5-WAREN-8? ...more numbers below this set as well!
I don't know much about German serial numbers, thought I would throw it
in the mix!
Sorry, meant to say that these 'numbers' are from/attributed to Adameit's crashed aircraft 155960.

Is the word 'WAREN' in amongst the numbers, a factory where the part was built? Will these numbers tell you the model of aircraft?