FW-190 A-6, April 13th 1944

[Horst Weber]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Horst

If you check Caldwell's JG 26 War Diary vol 2 on page 246 and 533 and look at Uffz Dehsbesell, he stated WNr 470236 and brown 7.

Just curious on which pages you have been looking...., or do you refer to some other book by Caldwell?

Cheers
Stig

Hi Stig !

Those information are the primary sources, available in Germany for researches like that.

The "Namentliche Verlustmeldungen (NVLM)" of the Deutsche Dienststelle in Berlin, complete about 95% of all German personnel losses.

The second primary source for Luftwaffe losses are "Generalquartiermachermeistermeldungen Abteilung 6", which covered all Luftwaffe material losses. Unfortunately, those are incomplete and missing from beginning of 1944 up to Jan. 1945.

All serious authors used those sources for their books, Caldwell as well. But by writing books, mistakes can happen by various reasons, like misspelling, count-revolving or bad legibility.

Now I received new information about the Dehsbesell case. Unfortunately, I'm not in the possession of his NVLM. Ordering it is not so easy in Germany as before by data-safty purposes. So you try the easy way and ask people you know, who are possible in in the possession of the primary file.

When a conformation from anybody in the possession of Dehsbesell's NVLM comes, that his a/c was "yellow 7", everything is clear, Caldwell was right and I have to move to the second trace, according my new information.

Horst Weber

[Stig Jarlevik]

Sorry Horst

I don't follow you since you don't answer my question.

I know already what you say, but I was only curious, since you refer to one of Caldwell's books, making a statement he identifies the aircraft only as 'Yellow 7'. Since I checked what Caldwell says in his vol 2 he never says anything about a yellow 7 and also identifies the aircraft with both a correct WNr and a correct marking, brown 7.

So again in which book by Caldwell do you read about a yellow 7?? No big deal Horst, but if it is in another of Caldwell's books I would like to know.

Cheers
Stig

[Horst Weber]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Sorry Horst

I don't follow you since you don't answer my question.

I know already what you say, but I was only curious, since you refer to one of Caldwell's books, making a statement he identifies the aircraft only as 'Yellow 7'. Since I checked what Caldwell says in his vol 2 he never says anything about a yellow 7 and also identifies the aircraft with both a correct WNr and a correct marking, brown 7.

So again in which book by Caldwell do you read about a yellow 7?? No big deal Horst, but if it is in another of Caldwell's books I would like to know.

Cheers
Stig

Stig !

Sorry, again typo error. Of course, Dehsbesell's a/c is "brown 7" in Caldwells book "The JG 26 War Diary - Volume Two 1943 - 1945".

By researching the roots of the new facts of Dehsbesells's case, I went throuhg columes of Rodeikes' and Caldwell's databases and so got confused.

So I think, I'll stop this research for that year and start it next year again.

If anyone could give me in the meantime information what a/c # is in the the NVLM or GenQmM,6.Abt for Dehsbesell's a/c, the info would be highly welcome.

Einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr und alle Gute für das Jahr 2015 !

Horst Weber

[Stig Jarlevik]

Ha, ha Horst

Simple as that! Oh well, no mystery then.
Happy New Year everyone. Soon time for the bubblies, and friends already calling 'can't you threw your computer overboard'

Cheers
Stig

[Horst Weber]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Ha, ha Horst

Simple as that! Oh well, no mystery then.
Happy New Year everyone. Soon time for the bubblies, and friends already calling 'can't you threw your computer overboard'

Cheers
Stig

Thanks for the good wishes !

New year, new chances !

Can anyone, who is in the possession of a copy of the NVLM of Uffz. Karl Dehsbesehl (FW 190A-6, 6./JG 26) who fatally crash-landed at April 13th, 1944 near Steffeln, Germany, provide me with his a/c's individual number, which is written down in his NVLM.

Thank you !

Horst Weber