Unknown Emblem on a Bf 109 E - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

sidney · #1 21st April 2015, 22:24

Dear All,

Can someone help me to identify the emblem sported on a Bf 109 E-1/E-3 "Yellow 1", as per the attached photo, downloaded from here http://www.vetrabotnik.narod.ru/Text.../Bf109_005.htm

Have not come across it before. Could be a personal emblem, or an early war unit emblem, or... Any assistance in the matter will be highly valued.

Regards,
Sinisa

ouidjat · #2 21st April 2015, 22:40

Hello Sinisa,

Normaly copyright belongs to David ....
Here is the 2nd photo.
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=4300

Regards, Franck.

sidney · #3 21st April 2015, 23:01

Hello Franck,

Many thanks for that. I did not realize that David was having it on his excellent site.

We now have the manufacturer, BFW, and W.Nr. too - apparently 1950.

Regards,
Sinisa

ouidjat · #4 21st April 2015, 23:57

You are welcome Sinisa,

More than that He IS the real owner of these photos, won on eBay I guess.

RolandF · #5 22nd April 2015, 14:14

Could have something to do with I./JG 233, which was founded at Bad Aibling in Upper Bavaria, an (almost) alpine region of Southern Germany. Badge shows a chamois' head, a well-known animal in that area.

Regards

Roland

Revi16 · #6 22nd April 2015, 14:16

This Bf-109 also has the rarer seen Revi 3 gunsight installed.

sidney · #7 22nd April 2015, 20:02

Post No.5 refers. Roland, this is a Bf 109 E, to which I./JG 233 converted in April/May 1939. If it was related to the Gruppe at all, it would be under the name of I./JG 51. Furthermore, the motif does not represent chamois' head, but deer's head (i.e., der Hirsch), as correctly identified on David Weiss' site in Post No.2.

Regards,
Sinisa

Charles Bavarois · #8 22nd April 2015, 20:12

Hello guys,

WNr 1950 was reported in a strenght-return for 3rd Staffel JG 51 in September 1939 at Bad Aibling. It was an Bf109E3 coded "yellow 1" with a DB 601 A/I engine WNr 10493. The airframe had collected 33.18 hours and the engine 39.03 hours at the time of the report.

HTH

Carl

sidney · #9 22nd April 2015, 20:21

Hello Carl,

Thank you for that. The aforementioned site also suggested JG 51, but this is much more precise info.

Regards,
Sinisa

RolandF · #10 22nd April 2015, 20:24

Hi Sinisa, excuse me if I dare to contradict:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsche
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A4mse
Look at the "Gämse". Especially at the black/white pattern on its head.
There´s a Luftwaffe badge with a chamois skull, I remember. Afaik it has something to do with Bad Aibling as well.

Regards
RolandF

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