Polikarpov I-16 top ace - Vasilii Golubyev ?

[stukapilot]

hi, knusel, lemme try to answer it
those victory claims from the link (http://airaces.narod.ru/all1/golubev.htm) u quoted r actually from the book "Победы сталинских соколов"(Victories of Stalin's Falcons) by Mikhail Bykov, published in 2008. but little might u know that Bykov amended part of contents and a revised copy got published in 2014, which is called "Все асы Сталина" (All aces of Stalin). and in his new book, Vasiliy Golubyev's claims were 17+15. and another fact clarified from this book is the fighter type once he used: 6/41-2/42 was I-16 and 2/42-5/45 were I-16, La-5, La-7.
and here's the complete list from that book uploaded to the attachement. hope it helped to u
regards from shanghai

[knusel]

Dear Stukapilot,

thanks for that helpful input.
I didn't know that airaces.narod.ru bases on Bykov's work.
I've studied the list you attached and found that the listed kills add up to 17+16sh, not 17+15sh as indicated.
At home, I merged the victory dates of that list together with the dates given by Polak, Maslov and airaces.narod.ru. => The sum ist 48+18sh, which indicates that some dates might be wrong or not confirmed.

I wish you a splendid weekend,

Michael

[Nick Hector]

Knusel,

Previous posts on the forum have indicated that the Polak book is not particularly reliable and the Bykov volumes should be seen as replacing it.

Nick

[stukapilot]

Originally Posted by knusel

Dear Stukapilot,

thanks for that helpful input.
I didn't know that airaces.narod.ru bases on Bykov's work.
I've studied the list you attached and found that the listed kills add up to 17+16sh, not 17+15sh as indicated.
At home, I merged the victory dates of that list together with the dates given by Polak, Maslov and airaces.narod.ru. => The sum ist 48+18sh, which indicates that some dates might be wrong or not confirmed.

I wish you a splendid weekend,

Michael

u'r right, knusel, mr. Bykov might make a typo mistake, and it seems that's the common failing of many russian books. but fundamentally, i have to say that his work is much more reliable than Polak's. lemme take an example, in Polak's book, a soviet pilot named Vasiliy Naydenko scored 99, ahead of Kozhedub, Pokryshkin and Rechkalov. while Bykov's research shows his victories were 1+6 in spain, 0+4 in finland and 5+11 in the great patriotic war, so 6+27 claims in his career. it's a quite smiple arithmetical addition but hard for me to undestand y those two records differ so greatly. to talk turkey, i'm on the side of Bykov
best regards

[knusel]

Hello Stukapilot & Nick,

you're probably right. STALIN'S FALCONS is full of inaccuracies :-( However, it's still the best book on the German market with the largest amount of data.
I really should consider acquiring Bykov's work abroad (+learn Russian).

I also think about buying this one:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/0764304763/...I37FHUZSPVQ74W

Can you tell me if it's worth the money ?

Have a nice Thursday,

Michael

[Nick Hector]

Hi Michael, yes, I have that one in my collection. I wouldn't say it is the be all and end all of books on the subject but I do feel like I got my money's worth because it was helpful with potted histories of a lot of the units as well as biographies much like Stalin's Falcons. If it counts for anything, nobody I know of has discredited it yet.

[stukapilot]

Originally Posted by knusel

Hello Stukapilot & Nick,

you're probably right. STALIN'S FALCONS is full of inaccuracies :-( However, it's still the best book on the German market with the largest amount of data.
I really should consider acquiring Bykov's work abroad (+learn Russian).

I also think about buying this one:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/0764304763/...I37FHUZSPVQ74W

Can you tell me if it's worth the money ?

Have a nice Thursday,

Michael

Hi knusel
all those books u mentioned r in my personal collection so my personal idea, that bykov's book is worth every penny of it. it's a reference book like 4 volumes of "luftwaffe aces" published by wingleader, name-birth/death-rank-units-type used-claims-date-location-type destroyed-comments. bylov spent more than 10 years to collect those trivial files and compile them into a thick coffe table book. it's not so expensive i think, i ordered one copy from Ozon and got it after 3 weeks, app.50 euros in total i remember. as stalin's eagles, i have to say the info from this book is smidgen dated, but in general it's a good book about soviet letchiki in patriotic war. as we all know, schiffer's books vary greatly and this book is 3.5-4 stars as my rating. btw, u could download its scanned PDF from internet for a brief reading before purchasing a copy. WARNING: delete it after reading. copyright

[knusel]

Hello Stukapilot,

sounds awesome!
Are all of Bykov's books in Cyrillic only ?

I wish you a splendid weekend,

Michael

[stukapilot]

Originally Posted by knusel

Hello Stukapilot,

sounds awesome!
Are all of Bykov's books in Cyrillic only ?

I wish you a splendid weekend,

Michael

as far as know, all those books by Bykov r in russian. but his newly published books titled Самолеты Cоветских Aсов (The Aircrafts of Soviet Aces) is bilingual, russian & english
regards