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Old 2nd March 2017, 19:16
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Re: Beech UC-43 - crash 19 Dec 1946 - serial?

Perhaps the information provided to AAIR has a typo or mistake?

I've searched numerous word items on the Beech17 site looking for a match and can't come up with anything that answers your question. Word items searched, 1946-12, 8871, 871, France, YC-43, Embassy, Statts, Dulloums. http://beech17.net/

Additionally, this webpage indicates 8 occupants. http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=119124
This may just be more errors, but it would be tough to fit 8 occupants in a UC-43. If 8 occupants IS accurate, perhaps the aircraft was a UC-64 or something else?

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Old 2nd March 2017, 21:22
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Re: Beech UC-43 - crash 19 Dec 1946 - serial?

I had seen the ASN record where it says Toulouse and 8 injured, like you wrote Ravi.

Some British newspapers a few days later surprisingly speak of a French military airplane that had crashed near Toulouse with 9 injured....
The French had Beech C-45 Expeditors.

Will look further, but unfortunately have no experience with French newspaper archives for details.

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Old 8th March 2017, 14:07
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Re: Beech UC-43 - crash 19 Dec 1946 - serial?

Received additional info.

UC-43 was attached to US Embassy in London. Was on its way from Orly to London.
Crashed (out of gas) "in bombed out field while attempting emergency landing". Partially burned. Time: 1730Z.

Pilot: Capt. Statts; passenger: Sgt. A.J. Joghson - no injuries.

Location given as 7 kms N. of Dulloums. Considering route, this may be Doullens instead.

So, not Toulouse and/or 8 injured....

There was a (later) Lt Col John H. Statts, perhaps the Capt. Statts above.

Serial 8871 in report still a mystery, may also refer to (a) Station 8871.

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Old 10th March 2017, 22:28
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Re: Beech UC-43 - crash 19 Dec 1946 - serial?

Hello,

"FAA Aircraft 1939-1945" has the following -
FT509 - ( 44-67763 - c/n 6871 ) - Rtd USN as Bu 32900 - became NC248/N248E.
However Joe Baugher has in his site that FT509 was c/n 6771.
So perhaps he has a typo and maybe it is 6871 ?
And in turn the original number 8871 may have also been an error for 6871 ?
Anyone have details of NC248 or as later N248E ?

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Old 11th March 2017, 01:09
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Re: Beech UC-43 - crash 19 Dec 1946 - serial?

6871 - http://beech17.net/?page_id=1239
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Old 11th March 2017, 14:10
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Re: Beech UC-43 - crash 19 Dec 1946 - serial?

Hello Revi,
Thank you for the reply and the link.
I am still of the opinion that it was an a/c of British parentage though.
The start of the number "66" may well be in place of the first two alphabetical letters . This is seen several times in MACR reports specially with USAAF Spitfire losses when the serial number is given as 66 the followed by three numbers.
Just a thought, could have been an ex RAF or RN a/c returned to US service in Europe and not given a US serial number at the time of accident.
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Old 11th March 2017, 16:21
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Re: Beech UC-43 - crash 19 Dec 1946 - serial?

Thanks for the follow ups. Possibility of ex-RAF has crossed my mind as well.
FAA flew the type as well.

Have contacted another source and will keep you posted.

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Leendert

PS ASN entry is edited now. This of course reopens the question what French military plane crashed near Toulouse with 8/9 injured. Date on or around 22 Dec 1946.
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