Italian aircraft and their top aces

[Milos Gazdic]

Hello
I understand clearly why you write kill. (I like to call it that way too but I know I am wrong and I rarely ever write about victories and losses). "Shot" could be another option. It takes equal amount of finger work over keyboard and is good match to Abshuß

On-topic: It's pity that one of the most beautiful a/c in WWII didn't give us any of the aces. It came too late and too small numbers, I suppose to make any real impact.

Regards,
Milos

[knusel]

Hello Miloš,

it annoys me too, when cool airplanes didn't produce an ace (Fokker E.V, Bristol Bulldog, Messerschmitt Me 163).

You may know that the most famous Fiat G.55 is Giovanni Bonet (8 confirmed victories).

Have you ever come across the complete dates and decimals of Teresio Martinoli's shared kills ?

Have a nice Sunday evening,

Michael

[Csaba B. Stenge]

Don't forget the Re.2000. The most successful pilot of the type was Hungarian Imre Pánczél, who scored four confirmed and one unconfirmed kills with the type in 1942 (it is possible, that his unconfirmed kill was later upgraded and was confirmed - later he scored two additional kills with a Bf 109 to reach the acedom for certain)

The details are available in my Hungarian aces book:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=45222
(sooner or later it will be available in English too).

[PMoz99]

Michael, how many 'kills' did Bonet achieve in the G.55? The only information I have on this is a shared 'kill' on the date of his death.
AFAIK the highest ranking Italian ace who flew the G.55 is Ugo Drago, no claims made. Would you agree?
Peter

[PMoz99]

Michael, I think Luigi Gorrini also flew the G.55 with no claims made.
Peter

[knusel]

Hello Csaba,

I though Pánczél had three kills in the Reggiane and four kills in the Messerschmitt (?)
http://www.cieldegloire.com/008_panzel.php

Hello Peter,

Bonet had only one kill in the Fiat G.55, I think. But I'm not absolutely sure.
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Bonet
Gorrini and Drago may have flown the G.55 but they made no claims in it.
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/italy_gorrini.htm
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/italy_drago.htm

Cheers,

Michael

[Csaba B. Stenge]

Originally Posted by knusel

Hello Csaba,

I though Pánczél had three kills in the Reggiane and four kills in the Messerschmitt (?)
http://www.cieldegloire.com/008_panzel.php

This erroneous info comes from Punka's Osprey book.
Pánczél claimed a Soviet fighter in early August and scored three confirmed and one unconfirmed (probably later upgraded to confirmed) kills against Il-2s at the end of October, 1942, all with Re.2000. He later scored two additional Il-2s with a Bf 109 on 16 December, 1942.
Everything about him (life, combat career, air and ground claims, including several named opponents, awards, etc) are described in great detail in my Hungarian aces book (on pages 251-258).

[Stig Jarlevik]

Csaba

Just curious. Why does Punka say four claims on 16.12.1942 if he only made two? Are the remaining Hungarian archives hard to read or is there some kind of dispute here?

Cheers
Stig

[PMoz99]

Hello Michael.
Where did you get your info for Tuominen G.50 and total kills?
The only info I have is 42+4sh=44 total, 23 in G.50
Cheers
Peter