Late-war Bf 109 question

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, George.

Yes, I am aware of it, all the comments with regards to the reference is not shown on this overview page, but does turn up in the detail page for this specific loss.

There are numerous entries when you look at the records at large that one naturally will see right away are erroneous, the problem of course being that the records are not available from April 1st through VE Day (and later....), and subsequent corrections will then not be available.

The loss system was based on the units reporting their losses to the higher headquarters, and there must have been some kind of feedback loop involved as the correction and amendment system was quite exensively used. It also seems to be a fact that some units were exemplary with regards to reporting correctly, while others were terrible (I think Ergänzungsjagdgeschwader 2 were terrible at some times late in the war... for some report days you are lucky if the WNr resembles vaguely the correct one... I am exaggerating but you get the point)

That is why I in the database system have room for entering also all the corrections and amendments along with other references dynamically, so a single loss could possibly have the original loss, several corrections and/or amendments from the GenQu6Abt lists and finally a few additions or corrections from other sources like a Namentliche Verlustemeldung, a book or a photograph.

The overview entry will reflect what we know as of today, the entry would naturally be updated if other sources correcting the entry surfaced.

Regards,
Andreas

[Skyraider3D]

Where was III/JG 4 based on this date? I have "Drewitz". Is this the Drewitz near Magdeburg?

According to Andreas' records III/JG 4 lost one Me 109 G-14, Werkenr.465330, flown by Lt. Dietrich Bartsch (MIA). Location unknown, damage 100%.

Does anybody have more details?


Besides this loss only the JG 300 machines seem to be valid possibilities but their locations don't seem to match "north of Magdeburg" (except for the one that exploded in mid-air).

[Heuser]

I think it was the Drewitz 20km N of Cottbus, and Lt. Bartsch was missed after attacking russian troops.

Regards, Heuser

[Skyraider3D]

Thanks Heuser!

I guess that leaves us only with 109s of JG 300, none of which was lost north of Magdeburg, except for the one that exploded and must be excluded as a possibility.

So perhaps it was Brenner's Dora 210909 afterall? I hope someone has more details about that one.
Does anybody know at what time 6/JG 301 took off for their mission and what their target was?

And of course there's always the possibility of a non-recorded loss or mistake in crash location...

[Skyraider3D]

I'm just bumping this thread to see if anybody has possibly come across 'new' info or to get fresh ideas on what Bill Lyon's victim could have been

[Skyraider3D]

Today I found this site, which has a number of combat reports from 9 February 1945. Hopefully this will shed some more light on the claims/losses that day:
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/m...t-reports.html