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Old 2nd August 2018, 11:44
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Re: French WW2 decimal score aces

Michael

As far as I know, the French (when on their own) did not acknowledge any shared victories.
If, let's say, five pilots shot down one aircraft each pilot received a full victory, but the unit as such only one.

This creates of course a problem since French pilots fought both with the British and the Russians, each nation with a different system to recognize an aerial victory. No matter how we count, we will simply not get it right!

Also don't forget, for political reasons, Charles de Gaulle needed the top ace during the war to have come from "his" side, ie Britain.

As far as I am concerned, Clostermann was a very good pilot and his book is brilliant, but I would like to know more about his relationship to de Gaulle.
It is no coincident that his final Tempest was dubbed Le Grand Charles....

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Re: French WW2 decimal score aces

Hi

About Clostermann
Subject VERY,VERY "DELICATE" that the score of his "victories":everything and its opposite are said!on this "famous" real score!

For example,I have an established list(by a serious author) of 24 "victories" sures (18+6 shared).

About your old list (2016),I noticed several missing

Le Gloan:MS.406+D.520
Blanck.520+Spit
Madon.520+Spit
Boillot:MS.406+Spit
Lefevre:Yak-1+Yak-9T

etc.etc....

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Why they appear!!

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Re: French WW2 decimal score aces

Dear Michel,

I think the misses you mentioned are because I indicated only those cases when an ace achieved 5 kills (shared kills counted as decimals) in the mentioned aircraft.
Would you mind posting the list of 18+6 Clostermann kills ?
I suppose it consists of 7 Spitfire kills and 11+6 Tempest kills ?

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