Top Jet Aces

[knusel]

Good evening Gentlemen,

a combination the Me 262 top ace lists of Morgan/Weal and Kacha looks like this:

top Me 262 aces
rank/name/Me 262 score(total)
1. Welter 27(63)
2. Eder 24(78)
3. Schall 17(137)
4. Bär 16(221)
5. Rademacher 16(97)
6. Rudorffer 12(224)
7. Buchner 12(58)
8. Schnörrer 11(46)
9. Stehle 11(26)
10. Weber 10(13)
Only Welter and Eder have more jet claims than the top MiG aces Sutyagin (22) and Pepelyaev (19).

Michael

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by knusel

Good evening Gentlemen,

a combination the Me 262 top ace lists of Morgan/Weal and Kacha looks like this:

top Me 262 aces
rank/name/Me 262 score(total)
1. Welter 27(63)
2. Eder 24(78)
3. Schall 17(137)
4. Bär 16(221)
5. Rademacher 16(97)
6. Rudorffer 12(224)
7. Buchner 12(58)
8. Schnörrer 11(46)
9. Stehle 11(26)
10. Weber 10(13)
Only Welter and Eder have more jet claims than the top MiG aces Sutyagin (22) and Pepelyaev (19).

Michael

But the very second post in this thread de-bunks all that. It was an entered an entire 12 years ago. These "Top Aces" lists really teach us nothing

[knusel]

Post a list that tells us everything.

[Nick Hector]

As stated previously: These "Top Aces" lists really teach us nothing.

The worship of numbers written next to men's names is something aviation history moved on from the day we were able to compare both sides' records.

[knusel]

You as usual: quick in debasing others, unable to provide anything that's better.

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by knusel

You as usual: quick in debasing others, unable to provide anything that's better.

Debasing others....?
Pffft. That's been you since your very first thread...
...what happened to that again? Oh that's right, it got closed down and so did so many others that you originated because you try (...and fail miserably...) to get clever with people.

1000+ posts of sheer uselessness later and you still haven't learned.

Great effort.

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by knusel

You as usual: quick in debasing others, unable to provide anything that's better.

I suggest you look again at your own post #28 before complaining about dismissive responses. In all your time on this forum you have never provided “anything that’s better”, have you? That leaves you ill-placed to be lecturing others.

[Nick Hector]

Something that's better:

3rd claim 3.10.43/2229 Halifax V SW of Hessen or Kassel @ 4000m Possibly EB214/NA-S of 428 sqn RCAF. Sgt K A B McArthur and one other KIA, remaining six crewmen all POW. Attributed to flak by British sources


4th claim 3.10.43/2241 Halifax ENE of Hessen or Kassel @ 4000m Possibly LE269 of 77 sqn. Sgt. F J A Bailey and crew all KIA

10th claim 6.1.44/0411 Lancaster III ("Viermot") W of Stettin Possibly ND324/PH-E of 12 sqn. F/O W Kroeker RCAF and crew all interned in Sweden (forcelanded at Kalmar)

12th claim 20.2.44/0327 Lancaster III Berlin @ 6500m Possibly DV220/AS-J of 166 sqn. F/S Francis Frederick George Allan RCAF and two others KIA, remaining four crewmen all POW

16th claim 26.8.44/0038 Mosquito Nienburg area (PQ FF) @ 9500m Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

18th claim 18.7.44/1047 P-51C-10-NT Mustang Fuessen area (PQ 14 Ost N/FB) @ 7000m 12th or 15th AAF. Was this 42-103947 of 301st FS, 332nd FG (Tuskegee Airmen)? - Lost SW of Muenchen, in combat with Fw190s so the location and type of German aircraft is correct

19th claim 18.7.44/1055 P-51B-5 Mustang Schongau area @ 4500m Said to be 43-6854 of 308th FS, 31st FG. Pilot seen to bale out but parachute failed, KIA

24th claim 30.8.44/0205 Lancaster Stettin area (PQ CJ-BJ) @ 4800m Believed to be overclaiming as the claim was rejected

25th claim 30.8.44/0210 Lancaster Stettin area (PQ CJ-BJ) @ 3900m Possibly PD273 of 12 sqn, PB365 of 103 sqn, PD261 of 166 sqn or PB131 of 115sqn

26th claim 30.8.44/0212 Lancaster Stettin area (PQ CJ-BJ) @ 4800m Possibly PD273 of 12 sqn, PB365 of 103 sqn, PD261 of 166 sqn or PB131 of 115sqn

27th claim 30.8.44/0215 Lancaster Stettin area (PQ CJ-BJ) @ 4800m Believed to be overclaiming as the claim was rejected
28th claim 11.9.44/2258 Mosquito XX PQ FG-4 @ 8000m KB227/XD- of 139 "Jamaica" sqn. F/L J A F Halcro and F/L T J Martin (both RCAF) both KIA

29th claim 12.9.44/2316 Mosquito XVI Hopsten-Bramsche [or Berlin?] (PQ GG 2-3) @ 8300m Possibly MM127/8K- of 571 sqn. Damaged (by Flak according to British sources) and abandoned off East Anglia coast, F/O N J Griffiths and F/O W Ball both apparently safe
(Ofw. Walter Baltruschat also submitted TWO claims for Mosquitoes but this is the ONLY attributable loss…)

31st claim 13.9.44/1742 Mosquito Salzwedel (PQ 15 Ost S/EC-4) @ 5000m Was this Mk XVI MM280 of 140 sqn? F/L C T Butt and F/S F R J Richardson. Initially damaged by a Bf109, later collided with another (which they claimed destroyed) yet returned safely

32nd claim 16.9.44/0203 Mosquito XX S of Berlin (PQ 15 Ost S/GG-2) @ 8500m KB239/6T-G of 608 sqn. F/L B H Smith RCAF and Sgt. L F Pegg both KIA

33rd claim 16.9.44/0230 Mosquito FB VI N of Achmer/Gardelegen (PQ 15 Ost S/GC-FB) @ 8500m PZ184/3P- of 515 sqn, S/L C Best DFC and F/S H Dickinson KIA.

34th claim 18.9.44/2305 Mosquito FB VI Lune-Jueterbog/Jueterbog-Bergwitz/N of Wittenberg (PQ HJ-JF) @ 8000m Probably PZ177/YP-A of 23 sqn. F/O K Eastwood and F/L G G Rogers both KIA

Unconfirmed? Claim 19/20.9.44 Mosquito Only traceable loss of a Mosquito this night was KB267/AZ-E of 627 sqn. W/C Guy P Gibson VC, DFC & DSO and S/L J B Warwick DFC both KIA (ACTUALLY DUE TO FRIENDLY FIRE)

Unconfirmed? Claim 27/28.9.44 Mosquito Wreck may have been found by German authorities, 9km E of Hoogeven (29km E of Meppel)

35th claim 6.10.44/2030 Mosquito XVI Berlin @ 8000m Possibly MM113/8K-G of 571 sqn. F/L G W McCallum and Sgt. L W Claydon both POW (Both Czypionka and Schmid also claimed but this is the only attributable loss)

36th claim 28.10.44/0120 Mosquito N of Berlin/10km W of Bernau (PQ FG-3) @ 8000m Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

37th claim 11/12.12.44 Mosquito XVI Possibly MM190/M5-O of 128 sqn. F/L Ronald Charles Onley and F/O George Barrowby Collins RAAF both KIA

2/3.1.45 Mosquito XX Possibly KB222/XD-R of 139 "Jamaica" sqn, F/L J P O Howard DFC RCAF and F/L D G Williams DFC both KIA

5.1.45 Mosquito PR XVI Possibly ML942 of 571 sqn, F/O F L Henry RNZAF and F/S R A Stinson RAAF, baled out over own territory

10.1.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

21/22.2.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

21/22.2.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

22.2.45/1300 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

22.2.45/1300 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

2/3.3.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

2/3.3.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

6/7.3.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

6/7.3.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

17/18.3.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

17/18.3.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

21.3.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

21.3.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming
24/25.3.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

27/28.3.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

30/31.3.45 Mosquito Overclaiming, only one loss attributable: Mk XVI RV341/P3-B of 692 sqn. F/S W Campey and F/S J Rabiner RCAF both KIA

30/31.3.45 Mosquito Overclaiming, only one loss attributable: Mk XVI RV341/P3-B of 692 sqn. F/S W Campey and F/S J Rabiner RCAF both KIA

30/31.3.45 Mosquito Overclaiming, only one loss attributable: Mk XVI RV341/P3-B of 692 sqn. F/S W Campey and F/S J Rabiner RCAF both KIA

30/31.3.45 Mosquito Overclaiming, only one loss attributable: Mk XVI RV341/P3-B of 692 sqn. F/S W Campey and F/S J Rabiner RCAF both KIA

10.4.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

11.4.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

13.4.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

14.4.45 Mosquito 608 sqn, F/O George Nunn and P/O Harry S T Harris, uninjured, aircraft only damaged

15.4.45 Mosquito Cannot find an attributable loss, likely overclaiming

18.4.45 Mosquito Was this one of the two 219 sqn machines lost this night? MM733/Z of F/O A C J Petrisse and F/O M H J Laloux both Belgian and both KIA plus NT380 of F/O R L Young KIA and F/O N G Fazan safe