Did FLAK units fall under Luftwaffe control

[ChrisMAg2]

Originally Posted by Hohentwiel

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Marine-Flak-Abteilung 242
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Battery VON SCHRÖDER (MAA 112):
3 x 30,5 cm S.K. L/50 (range 32 km)
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Believe it or not, one of these guns has atleast one verified kill of an allied bomber. Althogh these are not realy FlaK guns, but "Küstenartillerie".

And

Flugplatzkommando A 8/XI

means to say this airfield unit is assigned to Luftgau XI (Hamburg).

[Hohentwiel]

Originally Posted by ChrisMAg2

means to say this airfield unit is assigned to Luftgau XI (Hamburg).

That's right. Flugplatzkommando A 8/XI was part
of the Flughafen-Bereichs-Kommando 3/XI in Schleswig.
The units were all in Northern Germany, Schleswig-Holstein
and the islands. Source is the famous side www.ww2.dk. in this case.

Units:
Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur Schleswig
Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur Husum
Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur Westerland
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Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur E 2/XI in Husum [4.41? - 9.43]
Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur E 6/XI in Schleswig-Land [6.39 - 8.41]
Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur E 7/XI in Hohenaspe [6.39 - 4.41]
Flugplatzkommando A 1/XI in Hamburg-Fuhlsbüttel [2.43 - 4.44]
Flugplatzkommando A 2/XI in Neumünster [? - 4.44]
Flugplatzkommando A 8/XI on Helgoland [? - 4.44]
Flugplatzkommando A 18/XI in Leck [? - 4.44]
Flugplatzkommando A 20/XI in Flensburg [? - 4.44]
Flugplatzkommando A 21/XI in Uetersen [2.43 - 4.44]
Flugplatzkommando A 55/XI in Grossenbrode [2.43 - 4.44]
Flugplatzkommando A 90/XI in Kaltenkirchen [2.43 - 4.44]
Flugplatzkommando B 103/XI (See) in Tönning [2.41 - 4.43]
Flugplatzkommando B 104/XI (See) in Rantum [2.41 - 4.43]
Flugplatzkommando B 105/XI (See) in Hörnum [? - 5.45]
Flugplatzkommando D 108/XI (See) in Schleswig [? - 5.45]
Flugplatzkommando A 133/XI in Husum [9.43 - 4.44]
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Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur A (o) 1/XI in Westerland [4.44 - 5.45]
Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur A (o) 2/XI in Leck [4.44 - 5.45]
Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur A (o) 3/XI in Husum [4.44 - 5.45]
Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur A (o) 4/XI in Schleswig-Land [4.44 - 5.45]
Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur A (o) 5/XI in Lübeck-Blankensee [4.44 - 10.44 & 3.45 - 5.45]
Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur A (o) 6/XI in Uetersen [4.44 - 10.44 & 3.45 - 5.45]
Flugplatzkommando B 108/XI (See) in Schleswig-See

[ChrisMAg2]

Ok, If Luftgau XI is the district of choice, these are the major Flak units from '41-4/45
(acc. to http://www.ww2.dk/ground/hq/lgxi.htm):

• 3. Flak-Division in Hamburg [9.41 - 4.45]
• 8. Flak-Division in Bremen [9.41 - 4.45]
• 8. Flak-Brigade in Oldenburg/Hannover/Wismar [2.41 - 3.45]
• 15. Flak-Brigade in Hannover-Burgdorf [6.42 - 4.44]

[SES]

Originally Posted by ChrisMAg2

Believe it or not, one of these guns has atleast one verified kill of an allied bomber. Althogh these are not realy FlaK guns, but "Küstenartillerie".

Hi Chris,
The 38 cm guns in Hanstholm also had a Flak capability and role - with radar control by a W-R.
bregds
SES

[ChrisMAg2]

Michael,
but -seriously- Fla (with or without radar guidance) was not their main objective, not?

[SES]

Hi Chris,
No they were a costal battery, Flak was a secondary function, but imagine sitting in a B-17/24 and get in the way of a 800 kg grenade.
bregds
SES

[mightythor99]

they were not just for firing at ships and defending from the water, they were very active at shooting down aircraft. they were responsible for shooting down many allied bombers.
what you have to keep in mind, is that these guys were the very first guys to see the incoming bombers,................ they had guys in boats, with radios, who called the shore batteries when aircraft were spotted, and they sounded the alarm. then the gunners ran to their guns, and got ready to fire. the bombers are going 250-300 mph, so the guys only had a few minutes to get ready to fire. then the allied bombers were farther inside europe, and they were radio'ed in, and tracked by the next sets of flak guys,..........and so on. the routes were pretty straight forward, most of the time, so they had a good idea where they were headed, by what direction they were heading.
i have lots of photos of these units, and the one that comes to mind for me, is a marine coastal battery, stationed at texel. they have 8-10 rings painted on their cannon, and plenty of pictures of shot down planes, dead air crew, etc.
the german anti aircraft guns were pretty accurate, and they shot down plenty of bombers.....................it's just that there WERE plenty of targets..........more then they could handle.

[mightythor99]

is that the germans moved flak units around sometimes. in '44 and '45, they moved some of the better units/more accurate firing units to more key locations. there are always flak guns around their aircraft bases also, that is standard operating procedures.
these more accurate firing units made a little bit of difference, but the swarms of allied bombers overhead made it pretty much a wash. what good is getting 10 bombers shot down,....out of 300, or 500 of them flying overhead. air superiority was key to beating the germans. that was the icing on the cake,....besides being attacked from all sides..........

[galgos]

I'm very keen to find the types and locations of the flak units defending the Dortmund-Ems canal, especially as of spring 1945. I know there were some units along the canal, on lock gates and some thinly disguised (as windmills) flak towers (mostly vierlings), and also some heavy 88s, but what was there west of the canal as the bombers prepared for their bomb run. How did the flak units co-ordinate (or didn't they!) with the nightfighters from NJG1 and 4 from Gutersloh and Dortmund?
Regards
Max Williams
www.galgos.co.uk

[SES]

Hi,
Coordination would be performed by the Jagd Division in this case 3 JD, please see:
http://www.gyges.dk/Gefechtsstand%20bunker%203%20JD.htm
In the Ops Room there were a number functions related to command and control of all assets subordinate to the JD. In the front row of the picture depicting the Ops Room please note the Flak Einsatzleiter:
http://www.gyges.dk/JD%20control.htm
bregds
SES
www.gyges.dk