Hartmann: claims vs. victories

[HGabor]

On November 16, 1944 Hartmann claimed 2 Yak-9s, while other Bf 109 pairs attacked IL-2 formations, hunting for German tanks. Known IL-2 dogfights:

Between 13:05-14:37 local, 9 IL-2m3 of 5 VA, 12 GvShAD, 187 GvShAP attacked the Aszód-Hatvan area:

IL-2m3, No.'65' - Gv.Capt. Boris Ivanovich Lozorenko
IL-2m3, No.'68' - Gv.Ml.Lt. Ivan Ilich Shmonov
IL-2m3, No.'76', S/N: 10986 - Gv.Lt. Mihail Vasilevich Hramushin
IL-2m3, No.'79' - Gv.Ml.Lt. Alexeii Vasilevich Chukavin
IL-2m3, No.'69', S/N: 18817109 - Gv.Ml.Lt. Vladimir Yakovlevich Volkov
IL-2m3, No.'74', S/N: 11010 - Gv.Ml.Lt. Gennadii Vasilevich Miheichev
IL-2m3, No.'75', S/N: 1879474 - Gv.Capt. Ivan Sergeevich Obedkov - (See photo!)
IL-2m3, No.'98' - Gv.Lt. Kuddus Kanifovich Latipov
IL-2m3, No.'89' - Gv.Ml.Lt. Nikolai Vasilevich Selyutin

Their formation was attacked by 2 Bf 109s without any AC losses. Here some IL-2s could be damaged and therefore reported/(over-)claimed.

8 IL-2m3s of 5 VA, 12 GvShAD, 190 GvShAP were also attacked by 2 Bf 109 without any losses in the Cegléd area. Gunner, gv.st.sgt. Boris Georgievich Krayukhin repelled 2 fighter attacks on his own plane, which might have been damaged and therefore (over-)claimed, - but they successfully returned to their base.

The only 12 GvShAD loss this day, Anatolii Sergeevich Patrin, gunner of 5 VA, 12 GvShAD, 188 GvShAP was killed on the ground in a German attack on his airbase, not in a dogfight!

Perhaps this info can help to investigate/clarify other German/Hungarian IL-2 claims for the day.

Gabor