Stalingrad Air Raid

[Juha]

Hello Kolya
IIRC, the losses (Abgang/durch Feindeinw.) included damaged a/c. I mean at least those damaged that were sent out of unit for repairs.
Abgang/Überholung I have understood meaning a/c sent to overhaul.
A word of caution, my German has never been good and its now also rusty.

Juha

Later addition: BTW KG 2 was in West, flying Do 217s against England.

[Jack Sanders]

Originally Posted by kolya1

If that's correct, I'll post the list I got for these units... (I got it from that web-page I quoted above, they seemed to have correct sources (notably Bundesarchiv), but of course, the interest of such a list is limited bythe reliability of the data...),

Thanks,

Kolya.

Hello kolya1,
If my memory serves me right, those lists include aircraft damaged to any degree, rather than just those totally destroyed. The order of battle you posted contains a few inaccuracies, notably both KG 1 and KG 2 were not present in the Luftflotte 4 area at this time.
Regarding the raid on Stalingrad, it must be kept in mind that the Soviets were in complete disarray since German armoured forces reached Stalingrad that very day. As a result, the defences were a shambles and the Luftwaffe met very little opposition.

Yours sincerely,

Jack Sanders

[yogybär]

For LF4's OoB in 8'42, you can check this link:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaver...2.html#20Aug42

[kolya1]

OOps, I swapped KG2, which was deployed in the West and KG3, which was indeed in the East.

About KG1, are you sure it wasn't in the South of Russia, I have the bases indicated as Dno and Siverskaya for August and September 1942... ?

A few more checks, and I'll post what I got so far...

I think I should add KG51 to this list.

P.S. : As for KG27, it was based in Kursk until August then went to Rossosch (?) and Millerovo, so I wonder if I should count them for August....

[kolya1]

OK, as a full total for August and september for those units I quoted above (except KG 3 instead of KG 2, + KG 51), losses "to enemy action" are 475 airplanes, 256 for August and 219 for September.

Included are : - Fighters (including Zerstorers) : 192 (95 and 97)
- Stukas and Attack : 84 (48 and 36)
- Bombers : 171 (98 and 73)
- Recon : 24 (11 and 13)
- Transport : 4 (4 and 0)

Now, to which proportion some of these planes were total losses, and others only damaged (sufficiently enough however to be included in the "Abgang" column) I don't know...

[yogybär]

Wow... 475 is a lot, especially the 180 bombers...

For comparison: Claims by JG3,52,53,77in 8+9'42 were ca. 2700 out of 4700 on the whole Eastern front. The soviets report/admit 2063 losses during the "Stalingrad defense 17.7-18.11.42". An unbelievable war of attrition...

[kolya1]

I've completed the lists with losses from October and November, but unfortunately, there are some units for which the data is missing : whole SchG. 1 for the two months.

Anyway, so far, I found 138 losses for October and 153 for November.

In total for the two months : - Fighters : 50 (29 and 21)
- Stukas/Attack : 42+ (23+ and 19+)
- Bombers : 159 (71 and 68 )
- Recon : 42 (8 and 34)
- Transport : 18 (7 and 11)

So for August till the end of November, these lists indicate a total of 766+ "losses" to enemy fire...

I tried to adapt the order of battle, not counting the units which were withdrawn from the southern East sector...

[kolya1]

OK, sorry, it seems somebody had already answered that question, I post the link, because of the interesting reflexion on loss percentages :

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...oss+percentage

So losses reported each month would be only 40 % destoyed or more...

Others would appear in verlustelisten but not in monthly inventories...

[Jason]

Originally Posted by kolya1

About KG1, are you sure it wasn't in the South of Russia, I have the bases indicated as Dno and Siverskaya for August and September 1942... ?

Dno and Siverskaya are south of Leningrad.

Jason

[Evgeny Velichko]

Hi all!

I live in Volgograd (nowdays name of Stalingrad). I know, august 23th was day of hell here... Very big losses of civilians...

Just look at this site... There You can find maps, notes, and so on about Battle of Stalingrad.