Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

Flugbuch Helmut Stiller February 1943 FFS(A/B) 61

[Tony Jones]

Hi


I along with Stig alerted Malcolm Filmore (expert on DH 85) to the existance of this pghoto
He offers an alternastive to F-AMYS as follows:_


c/n 7094 (Gipsy Major #5941) CofA 4712 issued 4.3.35 to JEF de Kok. Regd PH-FDK [CofR 217] 12.3.35 to JEF de Kok, [director of Royal Dutch Shell], The Hague (based Waalhaven). Regd 7.9.37 to NV National Luchtvaart School, Ypenburg. Impressed into LVA as 963 9.39. Badly damaged in bombing Ypenburg 10.5.40; regn cld 7.9.40. On rebuild by NLS 8.40-4.41. Shipped to Germany 5.41.

So it was 963 with Dutch Forces, it should also be noted that TD+IL was also issued to Go 241A-1 021 so my question is can anyone say what was the build date for the Go 242?

Tony

[Stig Jarlevik]

Tony

I thought you had Barry Rosch's production list.
According to that, WNr 0021 was built/delivered in May 1941, ie basically at the same time as 'our' Leopard was photographed.

And, yes I notified Malcolm. An opportunity for him not to be missed.

Will send you the list straight away.
BTW Rosch does not list any TD+IL at all, he has only WNr 0031 fixed as TD+IU plus others in the same range without any WNrs attached.

Cheers
Stig

[Tony Jones]

Thanks Stig
Barry lists 021 as :_


2./LLG 2 dam 90% 16.2.43 at Bagerovo (Bagerowo), Russia, hit obstruction when landing

So possibly the DH 85 took over the stkz and this lines up with Helmut Stiller FB

Tony
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[musec04]

Hello Tony,


While it is not an area where I can claim any knowledge at all, is it possible that there were different Stkz systems for training school aircraft and those coming off production lines in large numbers?


With the above in mind are any other aircraft known with TD+I* Stkz from training schools? The Leopard Moth photo has May 1941 on the rear of the card, so it wouldn't have replaced the previously used Stkz of a Go 242 it would appear.





Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

I agree with Clint here Tony

The date, as I see it, on the flip side is 27 May 1941
I remember you, among a few others, believe the STKZ was not as unique as most others claim it to be.

I can absolutely see a certain merrit in pointing that out.
As with every human thought out plan, there are basically always some spanners thrown into such wheels.

I am also pretty certain when it happened it didn't bother the Luftwaffe very much.

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hello Stig,


As I said I'm no Stkz expert and my question about seperate systems is possbly very naive because of that fact, but as a general question, I believe that there are many duplicate Stkz - if these are usually between those applied to training school aircraft and those assigned to aircraft coming off the production line of a factory does not a good case generally exist for two seperate Stkz systems rather than just the one?


Regards,


Clint