Ofw August Weibl of 10./NJG 11, KIFA 3 March 1945

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Hello,

A small mistery, if someone can help. In "Les pertes des Messerschmitt Me 262. Avions Hors-série n° 45, juin 2017", by Philippe Saintes, one of the entries on 3 March 1945 is the following:
Ofw August Weibl, a former instructor pilot born at München on 26 October 1914, was lost when his Me 262 A-1a/U1 WNr 110652 GM+UX of 10./NJG 11 crashed northeast of Magdeburg during a local flight. The remains of the aircraft were found several days later. The body of the pilot was only identified in 1967 when the grave of an "unknown soldier" was unburied.
(my translation)

My problem: when I check the Volksbund database, there is an August Weibl born at München on 26 October 1914 who died on 3 March 1945... but his rank is Jäger and Volksbund says he died and is buried at Geseke. The only Geseke I found is in Nordrhein-Westfalen, between Soest and Paderborn, and about 250 km west of Magdeburg.

The location NE of Madeburg is perfectly coherent for a "local filight" for 10./NJG 11, but Geseke is not.

On the other hand, Weibl is an uncommon name: only three entries in Volksbund for the whole war (and none for WWI), and only one death card on fold3 (but not for 1945), so having two men with this same exact name, date of birth and birth place dying the same day is unlikely.

One possibility is that the author used an incomplete loss report and completed his data with the man on Volksbunb, without checking the location given.

So, can someone check who was the pilot of NJG 11 who died that day ? I don't know if a NVM would be available so late in the war, or if it will have the date of birth ?

Thanks in advance

[Rottler]

Hello Laurent,

in the GQM loss return 27 Mar 1945 item 88 is listed:
3.3. III./NJG 11 Feindflug, Ort und Ursache: unbekannt, Me 262 A-1 110652 100%. F Fw Weibl, Gustav vermisst.

Regards
Leo

[TigerTimon]

'gustav' can be transformed into avgust, maybe something went wrong there?

[Stig Jarlevik]

Dan O'Connell in his Me 262 The Production Log also says Ofw Gustav Weibl and that the crash was somewhere NE of Magdeburg

No specific place.

B RGds
Stig

[retje]

Hi,

There is an August Weibl (NJG 11) on the Deutsches Rotes Kreuz - Suchdienst München -Vermisstenbildliste.
I once looked up his card at the Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge, and there he was listed as Gustav Weibl.

René

[Laurent Rizzotti]

I found this webpage: http://xn--fliegerhorst-strmede-ibc.de/40383.html
and also this one: https://web.archive.org/web/20170125...lter.de/?p=615

Going into more details about the burial of Weibl (there is a picture, not the same as above, but the same man). Apparently he was supposed to fly a test flight in the area BURG, BRANDENBURG, MAGDEBURG, HALBERSTADT, STENDAL, HALLE. Half of these places are NE of Magdebug but not all. The family believed for years that he crashed in the Harz moutains (SW of Magdeburg) until in 1967 the grave of an "unbekannt Turbojäger" was opened in Geseke and the ID disc of Weibl was found in it. So the loss location was wrong, and the guy buried in Geseke is the right Weibl.

As for his first name, the first link above is using August, and is supposed to come in part from his son, so I guess it should be taken into account. Still half of the sources use Gustav and the other August, so maybe one first name was the official one and the other the one he used in daily life.

Thanks to those who replied. By the way, René, what is the FPN you used on the Deutsches Rotes Kreuz website ?

[retje]

Hi Laurent,
I have the Vermisstenbildlisten digital and searchable.
René

[RolandF]

The pet name for both August and Gustav is Gustl, Gusti or Gust. Maybe that´s the reason.

Regards
RolandF