A question about Genst.Gen.Qu.6.Abt. loss list

[Nick Beale]

The reels were certainly in Allied hands because the Imperial War Museum put them on microfilm. I understand that the originals were returned to Germany in the 1060s. Larry de Zeng will know the exact date, I’m sure.

[edNorth]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

The reels were certainly in Allied hands because the Imperial War Museum put them on microfilm. I understand that the originals were returned to Germany in the 1060s. Larry de Zeng will know the exact date, I’m sure.

These were found as paper copies by the Americans as revealed by Steve Coates some annums back, but were incomplete it appears, not certain.
THE IWM REELS are same filmed copies as BAMA / SELKE sold copies of on FICHE (with many "moved" frames) but Originals ARE in BAMA Freiburg.

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by edNorth

These were found as paper copies by the Americans as revealed by Steve Coates some annums back, but were incomplete it appears, not certain.

I know of at least one page missing from the films that someone (Jochen Prien?) found at Freiburg and kindly sent to me.

[Larry deZeng]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

The reels were certainly in Allied hands because the Imperial War Museum put them on microfilm. I understand that the originals were returned to Germany in the 1060s. Larry de Zeng will know the exact date, I’m sure.

Can't add much, but I do know that in the late forties when the "Karlsruhe Collection" authors were slaving away on their histories, they had to be taken by air to the A.I.12 (Post-Hostilities)/Air Ministry Library on Monck Street in London to see and do research in the captured German documents, including the Gen.Qu.(6.Abt.) Luftwaffen-Verlustmeldungen. They had Allied chaperones and could only visit for a few weeks at a time before returning to Germany.

These loss records were never in the U.S. They were part of the Luftwaffe administrative and selected operational records that remained in the U.K. in the custody of the Air Historical Branch - some being microfilmed - before being returned to Germany between c. 1960 and 1972. For those interested in the nitty-gritty details, see:

ECKERT, Astrid M. The Struggle for the Files: The Western Allies and the Return of German Archives after the Second World War. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2013. ISBN: 978-1-107-62920-2.

L.

[Franek Grabowski]

Is a distribution list of those documents known?

[Steve Coates]

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski

Is a distribution list of those documents known?

Try Andreas Brekken's blog:

http://aviationhistorynorway.blogspo...es-der_25.html

[ArtieBob]

There was a link posted on TOCH not too long ago (1 year or 2?) to Olve Dybvig's site with images of the loss list. There was quite a bit, but am not certain if it was anywhere near complete. I looked for the link, but couldn't find it. Perhaps someone could put it up again.
ArtieBob

[Franek Grabowski]

Originally Posted by Steve Coates

Try Andreas Brekken's blog:

http://aviationhistorynorway.blogspo...es-der_25.html

Thanks. So, if I understand correctly, surviving lists are from Generalstab Generalquartiermeister 6. Abteilung (Ib, II, III). The question is, what had happened to other copies. I am curious because it seems Russian copies of German documents partially double those handed over to BAMA by the US and the UK, and obviously must have come from another collection.

1. Reichsmarschall - Göring's copy
2. Staatssekretär der Luftfahrt und Generalinspekteur der Luftwaffe
3. Chef des Generalstabes
4. Luftwaffe Führungsstab Ia
5. Luftwaffe Führungsstab Ic (Presse)
6. Generalquartiermeister
7. Generalluftzeugmeister
8. Luftwaffe Personalamt Chefabteilung
9. Luftwaffe Personalamt Chefabteilung
10. Luftwaffe Personalamt Chefabteilung
11. Luftwaffe Personalamt I/IV
12. Luftwaffe Personalamt I/IV
13. L. D. - I am unsure about what this unit was
14. Chef für Flugsicherheit
15. L. E. 2 - I am also unsure at the moment what unit this is
16. Generalstab Generalquartiermeister 2. Abteilung
17. Generalstab Generalquartiermeister 6. Abteilung (Ib, II, III)
18. Generalstab Generalquartiermeister 6. Abteilung (Ib, II, III)
19. Generalstab Generalquartiermeister 6. Abteilung (Ib, II, III)
20. Generalstab Generalquartiermeister 6. Abteilung (IC)
21. Generalstab Generalquartiermeister 6. Abteilung (IC)