GQM/NVM of Bf110G-4, Serial 440135, G9+OT NJG1; loss on 12.12.1944

[strahljaeger]

Hi ,

I'm looking for the german GQM's recording / NVM showing the crash of the Bf110G-4, Serial 440135, G9+OT of the 9./NJG1; loss on 12.12.1944. Shot down from Pilot S/Ldr. Burbridge and Radar Operator F/Lt. Skelton, Mosquito ‘Z’ of the No. 85 Squadron RAF.
This may be available under the following identifier: GQM (766/2, Ziff e); NVM (NJG1_III_093).
Can someone make the report of GQM / NVM available to me?

[John Manrho]

Perhaps it is better to indicate what kind of information you are looking for. NVM from WASt (now BAPA) are not freely available unless somebody wants to share copies.

[TigerTimon]

Michael Balss has the night fighter NVM copies for sale.
Maybe he is willing to share one with you? He is also on Facebook.

Regards, Timon

[Rottler]

Hello Matthias,

the GQM report is not available. From a correction on 28 Jan 1945 follows, that this loss was listed in the GQM loss return 9 Jan 1945 item 90 (Bf 110 G-4 WNr. 440135, the pilot Fhr Hans Apel was injured).
GQM loss return 16 Mar 1945 item 85:
21.2.45 III./NJG 1 Feindflug, Absturz nach Luftkampf südwestlich Störmede, Bf 110 G-4 WNr. 5072, 100%.
F Fhr Apel, Hans †
Bf Uffz Trenk, Walter †
Bs Hptm Zenker, Erich †.

Regards
Leo

[Stig Jarlevik]

Leo

WNr 5072 is odd in this context.
As per Petrick that WNr was an "old" F-2

Any idea which WNr it really could have been?

Cheers
Stig

[Rottler]

Hi Stig,

no, I have no idea about the correct Bf 110 G-4 Werknummer.

Regards
Leo

[John Manrho]

Also the NVM says WNr. 5072

[strahljaeger]

Hi

My intention in this case is home research. The crash site on December 12, 1944 was in my neighborhood.
I have the reports from the HW5 group on the crash, excerpts from the ORB of 85 Squadron, the Jet & Prop report on Visser (who is still buried in Marl - the city of the crash).
I am aware of the later crash of the Apel crew. I didn't follow this one further because it's too far away from me.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Originally Posted by John Manrho

Also the NVM says WNr. 5072

Since they all quote this WNr, is it possible the sub-type could be wrong?
Could there have lingered and old F-2 which for some reason was used? Proficiency training perhaps?
With all other aircraft thus being G-models maybe the compiler just wrote G-4 of old habit?

Cheers
Stig

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

Maybe 5672?