GQM Verluste und Unfälle.

[Karoband]

Hi Marcel,

Those for 1943 are found in RL 2-III/783 and RL 2-III/784. Unfortunately, they have not been posted yet. To find other signatures in a series, click on "Im Kontext anzeigen".

best,

Jim

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Jim,

Thanks for the pointer, haven't thought of that
Patiently looking forward to it...

Have a good weekend, best regards,

Marcel

[gogh]

Marcel here are some RL files all on line

RL 2-III/184 1939-09-01 -1940-03-02
RL 2-III/752 1940-08-31 -1940-09-29
RL 2-III/753 1941-01-01 -1941-05-30
RL 2-III/754 1941-06-01 -1941-07-31
RL 2-III/755 1941-08-01 -1941-10-15
RL 2-III/757 1942-01-16 -1942-02-18
RL 2-III/758 1942-02-19 -1942-03-20
RL 2-III/1173 1940-03-03 -1940-03-10
RL 2-III/1174 1940-06-03 -1940-09-02
RL 2-III/1175 1940-09-03 -1941-01-02
RL 2-III/1176 1941-01-03 -1941-05-02
RL 2-III/1177 1941-05-30 -1941-08-02
RL 2-III/1178 1941-08-03 -1941-11-02
RL 2-III/1179 1941-11-03 -1942-02-02
RL 2-III/1180 1942-02-03 -1942-05-02
RL 2-III/1181 1942-05-03 -1942-07-02
RL 2-III/1182 1942-07-03 -1942-09-02
RL 2-III/1183 1942-09-03 -1942-11-03
RL 2-III/1184 1942-11-03 -1943-01-02
RL 2-III/1185 1943-01-03 -1943-02-02
RL 2-III/1186 1943-02-03 -1943-03-02
RL 2-III/1187 1943-03-03 -1943-04-02
RL 2-III/1188 1943-04-03 -1943-05-02
RL 2-III/1189 1943-05-03 -1943-06-02
RL 2-III/1190 1943-06-03 -1943-07-02
RL 2-III/1191 1943-07-03 -1943-08-02
RL 2-III/1192 1943-08-03 -1943-09-02
RL 2-III/1193 1943-09-03 -1943-10-02
RL 2-III/1194 1943-10-03 -1943-11-02
RL 2-III/1195 1943-11-03 -1943-12-02
RL 2-III/1196 1943-12-03 -1944-01-02
RL 2-III/1199 1945-03-06 -1945-04-01
RL 3/4987 pictures
RL 3/6010 pictures
RL 3/8227 pictures
RL 6/112
RL 6/117
RL 6/119
RL 6/121
RL 6/122
RL 7/3-625
RL 8/131
RL 8/224
RL 10/262 FB-Priller
RL 10/368
RL 10/383
RL 10/419
RL 10/483
RL 10/529 KG1-and emblems
RL 10/535 LB-Hans-Gaenshirt
RL 10/565
RL 10/566
RL 10/567
RL 10/603 FB-Zorner
RL 10/634 FB-Graf-van-Platen
RL 10/668 FB-Lothar-Kaul
RL 10 680
RL 10/690
RL 10/691
RL 10/706 fotoalbum-NJG-Twente-Alborg-etc
RL 10/708 FB-Karl-Pfeifler
RL 10/709 FB-Emil-Clade
RL 10/770 He111P-WNr1420-1939-18-14-crash-100
RL 10/789 FB-Grauert
RL 10/790 FB-Werner-Fosnik
RL 10/791 FB-Werner-Fosnik
RL 10/792 FB-Fritz-Beck
RL 10/793 FB-Neuhauser-as-FB-div in BAMA
RL 10/794 FB-Rheinhard-Kollak
RL 10/795 FB-Hebert-Cerener
RL 10/796 FB-Jurge-Schlicht
RL 10/797 FB-Hans-Majer
RL 10/798 FB-Wilhelm-Berschel
RL 10/800
RL 10/803 FB-Wilhelm-Beyerlein
RL 10/843 FB-Rheinhold-Tiel
RL 10/844 FB-Emil-Frese
RL 10/845 FB-Helmut-Räthel
RL 10/849 FB-Heinz-Käthner
RL 10/871 einsatz-Go242-wnr424
RL 10/872
RL 10/875
RL 10/876 FB-unknown
RL 10/888

[Jim P.]

A few others:

RL 5/1445 - RL 5/1462 - claims files
RL 10/155 - NVM KGzbv5 & KG55 (other KG55 KTB in the immediate vicinity)
RL 10/156 - KTB KG 76
RL 10/879 - Abshcussmeldung Klaus Mietusch
RL 10/88- - 7./NJG 11
RL 5/1300 - Ju88 WNr.819 - 4-Jul-41
RL 5/1319 - Do217M-1 WNr.326416 - 1(F)Nacht - 23-Oct-44
RL 5/1322 - Do217M1 WNr.40733 - 1(F)Nacht - 18-Jan-44
RL 5/1325 - Do217M1 WNr.326211 - 1(F)Nacht - 8-Jan-44
RL 5/1327 - Ju52 WNr.7116 - 27-Feb-42

gogh listed this one, but contains:

RL 10/875 - Bericht 2.(F)/123

(More to sort out.)

[FalkeEins]

..thanks. A few more


RL 10/256 KTB III./ZG 26
RL 10/270 JG 26 Gedenkblätter für die gefallenen Angehörigen des Geschwaders
RL 10/280 JG 53 Abschussmeldungen
RL 10/307 KTB I./JG 77
RL 10/479 KTB II./JG 1
RL 10/491 KG 55 Gefechtsmeldungen
RL 10/493 KG 100 Tätigkeitsberichte
RL 10/599 JG 52 Abschussmeldungen
RL 10/566 & 567 KG 76 Erfahrungsberichte über Ar 234
RL 10/650 KTB SKG 210

[Lennart Andersson]

A question for you who are familiar with this material: Were all Luftwaffe losses listed in these reports? I have been trying to find Junkers G 38 GF+GG which, according to ‘common knowledge’, was destroyed in an attack by RAF Wellingtons (148 Squadron) on Athens-Tatoi on 17 May 1941. I have checked Volume 2 (RL 2-III/753) 1 January to 31 May 1941, and volume 3 (RL 2-III/754) 1 June to 31 July 1941. There are a lot of Benachrichtigungen and late entries from the earlier period in Vol 3, but still no G 38. The only losses at Athens on 17 May that are listed are one Ju 52 at ‘Athen’, four Ju 52 at ‘Athen-Kalamaki’ and an Hs 126 at ‘Athen-Tatoi’. Any suggestions?

[andrus]

Originally Posted by Lennart Andersson

I have checked Volume 2 (RL 2-III/753) 1 January to 31 May 1941, and volume 3 (RL 2-III/754) 1 June to 31 July 1941.

Hello,

there is also:
RL 2-III/781 Tägliche Verlustmeldungen.- Flugzeugunfälle bei Schulen und sonstigen Dienststellen (Entwürfe) Bd. 1 3. Sept. 1940 - 2. Nov. 1941

Unfortunately not (yet?) available online. I also have no idea about it contents.

[Marcel Hogenhuis]

Hello Andrus,

It is the same source: one batch of files lists all the losses with first line combat units, the other batch lists all the losses of non combat units (schools etc.).

Best regards, Marcel

[Jim P.]

I never found that particular incident either. The loss reports, such as they are, are not fully complete. For example, in the Med in Feb-41, there are several Stuka incidents from St.G. 1 documented in books by Chris Shores & his team and Helmut Mahlke, none of which appear in GQM losses. Also, there was the instance of a future RK recipient, also a Stuka guy, going into the drink somewhere between Greece & Crete and the pilot and maybe the Bf paddling around the ocean for a couple of days until being found and rescued. (The Bf may have gone MIA, don't remember for sure. This incident may have been in the Obermaier book on Stuka & SG RK winners.)

[Mikael Olrog]

Jim is correct, there are losses that for some reason didn't make it in to the Gen.Qu.6 loss list. There are photos sold on ebay showing the remains of GF+GG at Athens-Tatoi so the loss is confirmed.