Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 15th January 2007, 20:20
RT RT is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: FRANCE
Posts: 3,630
RT is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Hptm Hartwich, X Fliegerkorps, 15 Aug 40

On gen.VM just one "offizier" is quoted, then an amendment confirm Uffz Eichert für tot erklärt

Remi
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 16th January 2007, 00:49
Brian Bines Brian Bines is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,438
Brian Bines is on a distinguished road
Re: Hptm Hartwich, X Fliegerkorps, 15 Aug 40

Hpt.Hartwich is also reported in the Flypast supplement 'Wings of the Eagle' as the third crew member in Restemeyers crew. He is described as Group Signals Officer of X Fliegerkorps, would his loss appear on a NVM of ZG 76 or one from his parent unit?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 16th January 2007, 18:58
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,963
Chris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the rough
Re: Hptm Hartwich, X Fliegerkorps, 15 Aug 40

Not on I/ZG 76's NVM and although you could get 3 in a Bf 110, it would have been a squeeze as well as a risk (which was proven)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 17th January 2007, 12:34
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,963
Chris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the rough
Re: Hptm Hartwich, X Fliegerkorps, 15 Aug 40

The plot thickens. NVM says that Uffz Werner Eichert was BF to Restemeyer but German War Graves acknowledges that Hptm Ernst-August Hartwich (born 29 Sep 04 in Guestrow) was reported missing 60 km NW of Aberdeen 15 Aug 40. The I/ZG 76 losses acknowledge that their combats were off Newcastle. Curiously there was another Hartwich lost that day-from 7/KG 30 attacking Driffield.............
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 7th November 2008, 20:14
northeagle northeagle is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 33
northeagle is on a distinguished road
Re: Hptm Hartwich, X Fliegerkorps, 15 Aug 40

Just stumbled across this posting. Hpt Ernst Hartwich was X Flieger Korps signals officer. He was aboard Restemeyers Me 110 working radio equipment. Uffz Werner Eikhert was Restemeyers usual rear gunner and also flew with him that day ie three in the Me 110.
Formation were attacked some 50 miles NE of Farne Islands ie in the area of Firth of Forth or a little further south. That they were lost off Aberdeen is merely a geography glitch similar to the one that has them lost off Newcastle. As Restemeyers aircraft was the first to fall it can be taken that it was shot down off the Berwickshire/ East Lothian coast.
Reports from pilots of 72 Squadron state that there was a lot of 'whizzing' and other noises on the radio. This stopped when Restemeyers aircraft blew up.
Hope this helps.

Best Wishes.
Robert.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 7th November 2008, 21:21
Doug Stankey Doug Stankey is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Thunder Bay, Canada
Posts: 695
Doug Stankey will become famous soon enough
Re: Hptm Hartwich, X Fliegerkorps, 15 Aug 40

Checking our notes:

HARTWICH, Ernst-August.
(DOB: 29.09.04 in Güstrow).
01.03.38 promo to Hptm.(Ln.).
15.08.40 Hptm., Nafü of I./ZG 76 - MIA in Bf 110D flown by Hptm. Werner Restemeyer that was shot down into the sea by Spitfires off the coast of County Durham 60 km NW of Aberdeen this date.

So, this guy was aboard the Restermeyer plane and he was the Gruppe’s Nachrichtenoffizier. This explains the confusion, he was staff but not Kdr.


We hope this enlightens the situation.


LdZ
DGS
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 8th November 2008, 09:40
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,963
Chris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the rough
Re: Hptm Hartwich, X Fliegerkorps, 15 Aug 40

Thanks all. The only query here is if he was with I/ZG 76, why was he not on their NVM for that day? Also the NO for I/ZG 76 was Lt Heinz Holborn

Last edited by Chris Goss; 8th November 2008 at 09:42. Reason: Extra info
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Need info about Hptm. Wilfried Herrmann, I./ZG 1 Evgeny Velichko Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 16 9th August 2010 21:14
Last fight of Eduard Tratt on 22.02.44. Need additional info. Evgeny Velichko Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 15 24th October 2008 17:00
Meteor Mk.I and V-1 kills Fairlop Allied and Soviet Air Forces 11 23rd October 2005 05:07
Luftwaffe fighter losses in Tunisia Christer Bergström Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 47 14th March 2005 05:03
Hptm Smisch, 8 June 1944 dahiot daniel Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 0 2nd March 2005 17:24


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:33.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net