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Old 4th February 2007, 20:00
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Re: SG 4 losses 26.12.1944

Date du CrashPlaceModel A/CTimeSerialUnit (Axe)MarkingsRankName26/12/1944Brachtenbach "Barkent"Fw-190 F-89:30WNr-9334757./SG 4Yellow 16+OfwZumkeller Karl (WND+KIA)60899/26/12/1944Bastogne (area)Fw-190 F-8
WNr-6836006./SG 4
OfwWeinreich Heinrich (KIA)208273/17526/12/1944Assmannshausen 1KM SFw-190 F-8
WNr-5810161./SG 4
HptmSchümer Erich (KIA)53452/22726/12/1944Weiler Near Boppard ??Salbing near Borbach?Fw-190 F-8
WNr-5822933./SG 4Yellow 2+HptmJungclausen Heinz RK (KIA) 57055/8
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Re: SG 4 losses 26.12.1944

Sorry wrong presentation
26/12/1944 Brachtenbach "Barkent"Fw-190 F-8 9:30WNr-9334757./SG 4
Yellow 16+Ofw Zumkeller Karl (WND+KIA)60899/

26/12/1944Bastogne (area) Fw-190 F-8 WNr-683600 6./SG 4 OfwWeinreich Heinrich (KIA)208273/175

26/12/1944Assmannshausen 1KM SFw-190 F-8 WNr-581016 1./SG 4HptmSchümer Erich (KIA)53452/227

26/12/1944Weiler Near Boppard ??Salbing near Borbach? Fw-190 F-8 WNr-582293 3./SG 4
Yellow 2+Hptm Jungclausen Heinz RK (KIA) 57055/8
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Old 4th February 2007, 20:07
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Re: SG 4 losses 26.12.1944

Last chance

26/12/1944 Brachtenbach "Barkent"Fw-190 F-8 9:30 WNr-933475 7./SG 4
Yellow 16+ Ofw Zumkeller Karl (WND+KIA)60899/

26/12/1944 Bastogne (area) Fw-190 F-8 WNr-683600 6./SG 4 Ofw Weinreich Heinrich (KIA)208273/175

26/12/1944 Assmannshausen 1KM S Fw-190 F-8 WNr-581016 1./SG 4 HptmSchümer Erich (KIA)53452/227

26/12/1944 Weiler Near Boppard ??Salbing near Borbach? Fw-190 F-8 WNr-582293 3./SG 4 Yellow 2+ Hptm Jungclausen Heinz RK (KIA) 57055/8
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Re: SG 4 losses 26.12.1944

Gentlemen,
Thank you very much for all your efforts and your valuable informations. Jungclausen is buried in Boppard (near Weiler) and Schürmer in Wiesbaden. I only have a few RAF claims, are there any known confirmed claims of RAF fighters in this area?

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Old 5th February 2007, 19:04
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Re: SG 4 losses 26.12.1944

Hello Heuser !

OFw. Helmut Nietzschmann, Geschwaderstab JG 4, took off at 10:33 h with his Geschwader-Kommodore to a flight in the front area. At about 11:45 h over Naurath, which is about 12 km N/E of Trier, Germany, they met 12 SPITFIRES of No. 421 Sq, which claimed two "Me 109" as shot down. The time is given as 11:45 h and the location is given with Trier in their Operational Log.

Helmut Nietzschmann was initially buried in Naurath ans his father received a letter, dated 2 January 1945 from the Kommodore, describinng the events that day.

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-Victory-List RAF 400 Series Squadron
-Sturmjäger, Band 2 by Eric Mombeek

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Re: SG 4 losses 26.12.1944

Hi, guys

I am trying to match these to the losses as listed in the Summarische Verlustemeldungen for SG 4 on this date.

There are 5 in total, and as no loss reason is given in the list by Flupke, this is a bit difficult.

The losses are:

I./S.G.4:

2 aircraft cat 4 (Destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft on operational flight, observed by enemy)

In my opinion this is then Schürmer (or Schümer?) and Jungclausen

II./S.G.4:

This unit has not reported any losses on this date (or at least not filed any before January 31st 1945), which is not unlikely, as the loss of Lt. Schlegel lost on 19.12.1944 is not reported befor February 8th 1945. But... as the loss records from 01.02.1945 through 01.04.1945 are available and the loss is not listed there, it is not very likely...

If this is the case, and the Staffel assignment for Weinreich is correct, this should be in this one.

III./S.G.4:

One aircraft category 1 (Missing due to enemy action). This could not be Zumkeller as I feel I can read out of the entry that he was wounded in action and died of his wounds. He would not thus have been listed as missing.

One aircraft category 21 (Damaged without enemy action on operational flight)

One aircraft category 23 (Damaged without enemy action on non-operational flight)

I feel that one of these are Zumkeller.

Can you add anything with regards to loss reasons Flupke?

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Re: SG 4 losses 26.12.1944

Attached please find III./S.G. 4 Erfolgsmeldung for 26-12-1944, from the unit's KTB.

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