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Old 20th February 2007, 15:26
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Re: Bär's Bodenplatte FW 190D-9

205267 is an A-9 WNr.
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Old 20th February 2007, 16:40
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Re: Bär's Bodenplatte FW 190D-9

Hi,

Heinz Bär's logbook notes that he flew "FW 190A9 205 269".

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Old 20th February 2007, 21:52
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Re: Bär's Bodenplatte FW 190D-9

Come on guys, I expected more from you....:-)....read my book on page 73 a little bit more carefull...

First, I stated Bär flew a D-9, but I did not state that he flew WNr. 205267, as that is a A-9 Werknummer.

The logbook of Bär (does anybody know who has the original by the way...?) does not clarify this issue either. As type of aircraft Fw 190 Do is listed for 1.1.45. On 18.12.1944 (his previous flight) Bär flew a Fw 190 with Werknummer 205267 (therefore an A-9). However, this Werknummer is only listed for his flight on 1.1.45 with " to seemingly indicate it's the same aircraft. However, why is there than Fw 190 Do written as type of aircraft for 1.1.45????

Furthermore, two pilots of the Stabschwarm independently from each other wrote that Maj. Bär flew a D-9 on 1.1.45. Those two pilots did not have contact which each other at all after the war, one never attended any veteran meetings.

To me the evidence is clear, Maj. Bär flew a Fw 190 Dora on 1.1.45. If it was a D-9 or D-11 or... I don't know.

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Old 21st February 2007, 03:57
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Re: Bär's Bodenplatte FW 190D-9

Hi John,

Sorry about that! I should have looked at my copy of the logbook more carefully, rather than relying on my notes from it.

Attached is the relevant section, and it does say FW 190 Do.

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Old 21st February 2007, 09:08
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Re: Bär's Bodenplatte FW 190D-9

Hello

Of course W.Nr 205267 refers to a Fw 190A-9. There is no doubt about it .

Now it is clear that there is a mistake in the entry written in the log book , is it the right aircraft type written or is the W.Nr correct ? in that case the aircraft type is not correct.

I have seen several mistakes in log book, so it could be another one .

For me The aircraft type is more significant for flying crews and ground personnal than the W.Nr , so it could be concider as a more reliable information .

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Re: Bär's Bodenplatte FW 190D-9

Alright,I looked through my Fw-190 references and did not find any mention of a Fw-190D-11 at Bad Lippspringe. Where does this information come from?

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Old 22nd February 2007, 09:38
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Re: Bär's Bodenplatte FW 190D-9

Hello

Concerning FW 190D-11 , it seems not possible that Bär ever flew a FW 190D-11 , the production aircrafts were not built at that time .

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