Messerschmitt 109 Design Problems

[RT]

The facts are, that without air superiority, the allies could not land nd so not win the war, no necessity to count on the soviets, air superiority is the number, at 1 against 10 there is no dogfights just butchery, I admit that even with the judgement we hv today 60 years after, a bit easier, they probably not achieved to hv air-superiority or share this one

rémi

[Franek Grabowski]

Had the Western Allies no numerical superiority in aviation, they would win the airwar anyway. It would only take a little more time. Apart of that, Germans could build up their numbers as well, but they did not. Not the first case of their incompetence in strategical planning.

[George Hopp]

You're not thinking this through, Franek. If the Western Allies hadn't achieved air superiority when they did, there would have been no Normandy invasion, and the Soviets would ultimately have taken all of Germany, and with it western Europe.

[RT]

In it's class the P51 or the corsair, in the upper class the 262.

Franek, You are right they could increase nd increase but, is the victory worth of such expenses to put on the knee the victor ??, would people in a "democraty" accept that ? The planers were better for sure in a non-administred economy that in an administred one, like germany or russia

George, if german achieved air-superiority, in that game, they achieve it in whole europe, so russian stay quite around koursk, the later step if no decision on the track, is to make separate "waffen-stillstände'', or due to no offensive intiative from both side a de facto, waffen-stillstand

rémi

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by RT

In it's class the P51 or the corsair, in the upper class the 262.

I agree that the Me 262 represented the next stage in technology but its actual achievements in combat were not so spectacular and nor did its pilots have a markedly better chance of survival. (There is an analysis of this in Manfred Boehme's book "Jagdgeschwader 7").

[RT]

We return to the first point the qty, Me262 don't won the war because, there is no in strength in 1942/43 2000 of them, 1944 need 4000 of them

Hurricane ? nd because they would hv enought of them

remi

Maybe the war hs been won by the liberal economy, so strange idea they hv to back-up the most anti-liberal system