Placing the Bell P39 Aircobra.

[Juha]

""It was found that none of 134 fired RS-132 hit the target during the test,"
while 140 Rocket Projectiles fired by Typhoon gave 50% chance of hitting a Panther.

These results are identical."

Tony
How typical to You! The Typhoon case is from combat situation and Il-2 case from test. Are you claiming that ground fire had no effect to accuracy of ground attack planes?

Now there are also test on RP Typhoons. On one case against captured Panther in the middle of an open field out of 64 RP fired only 3 hit the tank. Not outstanding, I admit. British estimated that in battlefield against single tank only one out of 200 fired hit, and that some 20-30% of RP warheads failed to detonate.

Now without knowing the test conditions of the Il-2 test I would not draw conclusion on accuracies between Typhoon with RP and Il-2 with RS-132 but only suggest that you also checked how effective Ju 87 Gs were in reality, contrary to claims, against Soviet tanks. And Il-2s with 37mm cannon were not liked by pilots and they had inhered accuracy problems which you of course should know already after 35 years of study and with your pursuit of thruth. Otherwise you would not of course express definite conclusions.

Juha

[tcolvin]

Originally Posted by Juha

Tony
How typical to You! The Typhoon case is from combat situation and Il-2 case from test. Are you claiming that ground fire had no effect to accuracy of ground attack planes?
Juha

Of course not. I said the results were identical. Maybe 'consistent' is more accurate, and I pointed out the difference in the test environment. Certainly the results are not inconsistent which was what Franek was saying.

Perhaps you have forgotten, or never knew, the reason 2TAF adopted the rocket projectile. It was because it allowed the pilot to stand off from the target and release his munitions from a safer distance than from a gun or a bomb. The pilot had a slightly better chance of living when he fired an RP than when he fired a gun.

The rocket projectile was inaccurate and ineffective because of its notorious gravity drop. This was inherent and made the RP ineffective. It didn't matter whether the pilot spoke German, Russian or English, or whether he flew a Hs129, IL-2 or Typhoon, or whether the RP was made in Birmingham, Essen or Tula. Rocketswere all the same - bloody useless.

Or do you have a contrary point of view? If so then spit it out, man!

Tony

[Kutscha]

Originally Posted by Juha

And Il-2s with 37mm cannon were not liked by pilots and they had inhered accuracy problems which you of course should know already after 35 years of study and with your pursuit of thruth. Otherwise you would not of course express definite conclusions.
Juha

The NS37 mounted under the wings of the Il-2 3M weighed 522lbs with 50 rds. The bombload was reduced to 440lbs. When fully load, the CG moved 3.5% rearward. The a/c required considerable piloting skill and had much more demanding flight characteristics. There was also a shortage of NS37 cannons.