23rd May 1940

[paulmcmillan]

Martin

Thanks for posting this info on Linney I will give you my thoughts on it - But think there were only 2 Hurricanes recovered... The times in Linney's report are crutial and also it could explain why the earlier pilot has never been identified - he never existed!


BTW P/O [G.A.] Malone' or 'P/O G.A. Madore' - No such names exist on the dates in question in Errol Martyns books on New Zealanders lost in the air services during WW1 and WW2


His full name according to the London Gazette is Garfield Alexandra MADORE

[B.F.M. Droog]

Hello Paul,

It's a very small detail, but wouldn't 'Alexandra' be a typo of the London Gazette? CWGC has as his second name 'Alexander'

I wonder, is it usual in the UK to give boys a female name as second or third name? In the Netherlands it is; many roman catholic males have as third name the name of their godmother, as is the case with me.

Regards,

Bart

[paulmcmillan]

Originally Posted by B.F.M. Droog

Hello Paul,

It's a very small detail, but wouldn't 'Alexandra' be a typo of the London Gazette? CWGC has as his second name 'Alexander'

I wonder, is it usual in the UK to give boys a female name as second or third name? In the Netherlands it is; many roman catholic males have as third name the name of their godmother, as is the case with me.

Regards,

Bart

Yes it could be a typo but I don't thinks so I found his full name listed twice in different Gazettes in differen years and spelt 'Alexandra' in both cases - I thought it was a typo as well

[Alex Smart]

Hello Bart,

Thank you for your understanding and YES the fact that he is in the ANZAC Cemetery led me in that thought.

Good to know that Linney was a safe "Caterpillar" twice over .

Madore must be the correct name of this 242 Sqdn pilot lost in P2730 on the 23rd.

By the way can you refresh my memory as to how many a/c would be in a "Flight" in the 1940's as 242 sent a flight on the 13th according to RAF Commands site.

All the best
Alex

[Peter Cornwell]

Congratulations to all involved in a very nice piece of collaborative research which I have been following with great interest. I will see to it that P/O Linney’s experiences on May 23, 1940, are added to my loss lists pending future reprint of The Battle of France Then & Now – not forgetting Louis Strange’s part in the story. Well done guys.

The order for No.242 Squadron to send a flight to France on May 13, 1940, was cancelled. Instead, according to Hugh Halliday’s excellent account, 242 Squadron The Canadian Years (1981), four pilots were detached to units already in France leaving Manston on May 14. Six aircraft and pilots of ‘A’ Flight No.242 Squadron were ordered to France two days later.

[Andy Saunders]

Originally Posted by B.F.M. Droog

Hello Paul,

It's a very small detail, but wouldn't 'Alexandra' be a typo of the London Gazette? CWGC has as his second name 'Alexander'

I wonder, is it usual in the UK to give boys a female name as second or third name? In the Netherlands it is; many roman catholic males have as third name the name of their godmother, as is the case with me.

Regards,

Bart

Exactly so, Bart! In fact, I have come across quite a few instances where the RAF List and subsequent CWGC entries have substituted masculine names incorrectly. An example is Hilary Patrick Mary EDRIDGE of 222 Squadron, kia 30.10.40. All records show his third name as Michael, which is certainly not correct. The substitution is perhaps understandable, though.

[Alex Smart]

Hi,
Just to Confirm that Madore is comemorated in the Canadian Book of rememberance on page 603. There is also a photo of him standing on the wing of a bi-Plane looks like it could be a Hart or Hind.
Service number given as 42143, so Canadian not New Zealander.
Alex

[Alex Smart]

Hi Peter,

Just to pick up on the Flight part.
Four pilots first from the 14th followed by six more with Squadron aircraft from the 16th (ie two days later).

They had a bad time -
14th. P2621 F/Lt. J.L. Sullivan KIA.
17th. P2655 P/O MacQueen force landed -safe.
18th.L1665 A flt. P/O Wiens shot down - injured.
18th L1922 A flt. F/O. Chambers Shot down - Baled, POW.
18th N2320 A flt. P/O Brown Shot down - wounded.
19th. P2808 A flt. F/Lt. Miller force landed safe.
23rd. P2550 P/O Benzie Baled wounded.
23rd. P2809 F/O.Graafstra Shot down KIA.
23rd. P2730 P/O. Madore KIA.
23rd. P3392 P/O Smiley Baled, POW.
24th.P3266 P/O. Hill KIA.
24th. P3272 P/O. Mitchell KIA.
28th. N2651 P/O Deacon POW.
28th. L1746 P/O. Jones KIA.
29th. L1756 Crashed on take off Manston Pilot ?
31st. P2732 P/O. Stewart KIA.
How many of the above were in the group that went over ?

All for now
Alex

[paulmcmillan]

And Madore was a Roman Catholic

"1939-1945 memorial
MADORE Garfield aka GARFIELD Madore
listed on plaque at Pro Cathedral of the Assumption Roman Catholic Church
"To the young men of this parish who gave their lives in World War 2 the
organ in this Church is gratefully dedicated. May they rest in peace.""

http://www.ogs.on.ca/ogspi/194/w194m001.htm

[Bruce Lander]

Hi Gentlemen,

thank you all for your impressive response to this original query. I suppose it is a slim possibility that a third Hurricane ( first actually) was repaired and flown out before Linney and Strange escaped, maybe by a pilot already stranded at Merville ( I believe some pilots were left behind when their units flew back to UK as there were no serviceable aircraft available and had to make their own way home).
Once again thanks everyone

Bruce Lander