IAR-80 "le Heros meconnu"

[CJE]

Jukka,

I understand your point of view.
But photographs never lie!
However good is a text, if it is not purported by photographic evidence, you may have a reasonable doubt.

Chris

[Blue-Max]

Sometimes 1 photo = 1000 words ...

[Peter D Evans]

Hi there Blue-Max

Your wasting your time my friend... if its not published in English, printed on certain paper with specific text and column numbers, or (God help the authors) its published by Chevron/Classic/Ian Allan, then our dear friend Jukka just isn't interested. He also really needs to seek professional help with his anti-Chevron/Classic rhetoric. Their books don't appear by magic and I'm bu**ered if any of their titles I have are anywhere near being just made up of "pretty pictures". But then again experience has taught me that he is passing comment on books that he has either not got or not even seen. How anybody can see that as being constructive is really beyond me!

Anyway, I digress, thanks for taking the time to provide the page samples as it indeed looks very interesting The authors should be congratulated and applauded for the time and effort put into getting this book into any language...

Cheers

Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

[Jukka Juutinen]

Peter, you are terribly mistaken. I mostly like Ian Allan books if they follow the style of the Midland imprint. E.g. the Aerofax series is laid out superbly and do have greater amount of text than Chevron´s average book.

And Peter, tell me when has Classic last time done a book in which at least 50% of the contents is text? Classic has had one superbly laid out book (Erik Pilawskii´s one) and couple of good ones (Me 264, Do 335) but too many poorly done ones.

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Jukka Juutinen

... tell me when has Classic last time done a book in which at least 50% of the contents is text?

Well, at 85,000 words + captions + index over 208 pages, my Ghost Bombers must have come close and Dan O'Connell's Me 262 Production Log undoubtedly passed your benchmark with ease but since they were published by Classic I expect you still found reasons to hate them.

But Jukka, we get the message by now: hardly any aviation history books are to your liking; you can't or won't write your own; and you can't or won't risk your own money on publishing something that would meet your exacting standards.

[Peter D Evans]

Originally Posted by Jukka Juutinen

And Peter, tell me when has Classic last time done a book in which at least 50% of the contents is text? Classic has had one superbly laid out book (Erik Pilawskii´s one) and couple of good ones (Me 264, Do 335) but too many poorly done ones.

That's easy... since 2002 they have produced the following hard back books which sit proudly on my bookshelf. All are serious text books profusely illustrated with colour profiles and photos and comfortably meet your ridiculous +50% text content:

• On Special Missions [2002]
• Helicopters of the Third Reich [2002]
• Me163 Volume 1 [2002]
• Me163 Volume 2 [2003]
• Messerschmitt Bf109 Recognition Manual [2004]
• Focke-Wulf Fw190 in North Africa [2004]
• Luftwaffe Camouflage & Markings 1933-45, Volume 1 [2004]
• Luftwaffe Camouflage & Markings 1933-45, Volume 2 [2005]
• Messerschmitt Me262 The Production Log [2005]
• Dornier Do335 [2006]
• Horten Ho229 [2006]
• Projekt Natter [2006]
• Messerschmitt Me264 [2006]
• Bomber Units of the Luftwaffe Volume 1 [2007]
• Luftwaffe Camouflage & Markings 1933-45, Photo Archive 1 [2007]
• Luftwaffe Fighters & Fighter Bombers over the Far North [2008]
• Bomber Units of the Luftwaffe Volume 2 [2008]

...and the two you mention:

• Messerschmitt Me210/410 An Illustrated History [2008]
• Messerschmitt Bf110 C, D & E An Illustrated History [2007]

...are both, as they say on the tin, illustrated histories.

Just because a book doesn't fulfil the criteria you set down does not mean that it's not any good... and anyway, the fact that you pass comment on books you've not even seen, makes any argument you think you may have, null and void...

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

[fsbofk]

I was able to peruse this book at the US IPMS convention this past weekend, and it is indeed an impressive work, particularly with the number of color photos of operational IAR-80s, profiles, and drawings. There also is a lot of text, and since my French hasn't progressed much beyond my '60s high school "Bonjour Jean, comment vas tu?" level, I had to pass it up, being a marginal subject for my interest. However, had it been a subject of which I am deeply interested, I wouldn't have hesitated - as shown by the number of German language books I posssess solely for their photographic content (I speak even less German - typical American !).

[Blue-Max]

Great Models taking pre-orders ....
http://www.greatmodels.com/~smartcar...em_num=TMA5086

[Jukka Juutinen]

Originally Posted by CJE

Jukka,

I understand your point of view.
But photographs never lie!
However good is a text, if it is not purported by photographic evidence, you may have a reasonable doubt.

Chris

But how do you describe e.g. the handling and performance of the IAR-80 with only photos? Those the are main things I am interested in this aeroplane, not e.g. colours and markings.