Battle of Britain Bf109E found in India a few years ago?

[Andy Saunders]

Jagan

Until now, all the comments have been directed against those who acquired the Me 109 from a dealer in India and they have thus far not responded to the various statements and allegations made against them. Now, they have done so.

For the sake of clarity, and the avoidance of any doubt, "we" are not discussing libel and legal issues. I have merely presented, verbatim, the statement issued by Rare Aero in relation to this historic airframe and an airframe that is of interest to many on this forum. In presenting Rare Aero's statement I am not entering into any debate about libel or legal issues as you seem to suppose. On the contrary. In any event, I have no authority to discuss or debate such issues for Rare Aero (aside from this additional posting) and beyond this statement there is no intention by Rare Aero to enter into further discussion on the matter.

The position of Rare Aero has been concisely set out here. Further, it will be noted that much of the Indian news reportage is wildly inaccurate and based to an extent upon supposition. It is not based upon fact, and neither does it reflect the actual facts of the matter when viewed in relation to the paperwork and documentation relating to its sale, purchase, export and acquisition in the UK. I have been privy to those documents. I suggest, Jagan, that you have not. I would further suggest that your information is based around the various Indian newspaper reports which one would be unwise to accept as wholly relaibale!

Rare Aero have authorised me to make the foregoing comments. No further debate will be entered into.

[joyban]

Dear Andy, Ian

Re: Battle of Britain Bf109E found in India a few years ago?
I made enquiries in the area when the 109 was first acquired. I got several accounts of the crash and a number of pictures of a field.
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Ian

Did any of you were able to get any old pictures of the Aircraft when it crash landed ? Any other historical information which can be added to this post ?

Best Regards

[Neil Tanton]

hi every body who is interested in this me109.i live in lower hardres where this plane landed.i know of a couple of people who were only young school children at the time seeing this plane in the field.one of them took a piece of cockpit glass but not sure if they still have it.the plane was put on display in barretts car showroom in the high street in canterbury,not sure for how long.thats as much as i know.

[Andy Saunders]

Neil

Would be VERY interested to hear from you.

If you can send me a Private Message (PM) or e mail would be very interested.

Jagan - if you read this, please expect an e mail from me very soon!

[joyban]

Hi,

Any updates on this from Neil...others ...

Thanks...

[joyban]

Hi all,

I just had a technical question on this particular Aircraft and that was to do with the Spinner :-


As stated in the Crash Report
"Fw. Xavier Ray of 8./JG53, Bf109E-1/b W.Nr. 4034. Report No.3/139 Me 109 crashed on 2/11/40 at 0905hrs near Lower Hardres. Map reference R.5601. Markings 6+I. All in black outlined white. Camouflage yellow dappled green grey all over. Vertical red band 10" wide round centre of engine cowling. Spinner red without usual hole at the tip".





Picture Ref:-

http://www.warbirdsofindia.com/WDY/wbdy2002.html

Picture Copyright © WarbirdsofIndia.com. All rights reserved.
Photo: A A Laxman

On several other Crash Reports of Me 109 E-1 / E-3 during 1940, it stated that there was a hole at the Tip of the Spinner ( If we were to read several Crash Reports involving Me 109 at http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com/luft1939/ )



Also further referring to the Messerschmitt Bf 109E Spinners Post at http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=12299 my question is why was this Me109 E1/B have a Capped Spinner ?

Was it to do with Armament Issue or it was just an optional configuration with Me 109 E-1/B 's ?


Best Regards


Sujoy

[joyban]

Its been a Long time since the thread was update any News on the restoration of the Aircraft, any Old Pics and New ones ?

Best Regards

Sujoy

[BenG]

Here you go - from Mikael Olrog Preserved Axis Aircraft website:



QUOTE: "in storage pending location of suitable engine for restoration."

[ahafan]

Intresting''as I know JG53 had swazi removed? was this early August 40-so how come this has the swazi-on tail?-2/11/40 too early to been put back on.
I saw recently JG53=without swazis on any aircraft.states early November 40?
Sharon
Swazi -swatstika- short

[joyban]

Hi BenG

Many thanks for the updated picture...I thought the engine were shipped back too...could they not have been use ?

Many thanks for the update...

Hope some day we are able to locate the picture of the Aircraft when it flew...from 8/JG53..

Regards

Sujoy